Vintage tubes vs Current tubes?

Looking for opinions on Vintage(nos tubes) vs the new stuff out there today.
I have not had much luck lately with the older tubes I've been getting.
I have not heard some of the new Russian tubes cryoed.
Also open to suggestions on where to find good old tubes.
What tube model/types do you need?
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Knowing what type tube you are looking for would help. Tvad is dead on with the signal tubes. The older ones (generally made in the 1950s) are superior sounding. The only new production signal tube I have any experience with that sounds pretty good in my preamps is the Groove tube Mullard remake 12ax7m, these are available from several sources. When buying older signal tubes I would look for a seller who has excellent feedback and who can give you test results from a mutual conductance test and not just the standard line "tested good for shorts and emissions on my xyz emissions tester". IMHO long black plates and D or square getters are positives to look for also.
although i prefer vintage tubes, the tube circuit is critical in revealing or not revealing the differences in performances between current production and older tubes.

i just spoke to lyric hifi regarding the mcintosh 2102 amplifier. i am looking for an amp, cd player and preamp--all tubes, and have been considering mcintosh products.

i was told that the 201 does not change its sound when the driver tubes are replaced. i am also considering the c 220 preamp. it may be relatively insesentive to tube changes as well. certainly, my bat vk d5 cd player hardly changed sonically when i used amperex and mullard 6 volt tubes.

the bottom line: a difference makes no difference if you don't hear it. many of the current generation of tube products are designed around current tubes and are not responsive to changes in tubes.
So far the Cryo'd tubes I have tried I like...
The cryo'd ones i've tried are Svetlana el34 ( quads )
E.I. 12ax7( pairs )
GE 12bh7a ( nos cryo pairs )

These I like but it is a crapshoot wether it be nos,cryo or just plain new tubes.What works for some may not work for others...
Which tubes work best with different system depends upon the system and the ear of the owner. I have tubed rolled many different new stock and old stock tubes in various applications, using myself and other audiophiles as judges. I have yet to find any new stock that outperforms good old stock, even new cryoed tubes(they are an inprovement but tend to be fatigueing over long listening periods).Tell us what equipment you are using tubes in and what tubes you have used