Vintage DIN phono cables, any good?

My impression by the most Japanese tonearms ( I was tonearm

collector earlier) was /is that they all used Din 5 -RCA cables

provided by the same supplier. All of them with copper wire which

coroded as function of time. There are of cource exceptions but

the most of those cables are worthless. It is not difficult to make

our own if one can handle soldering bolt. One can then chose

among many obtainable wires. But one need to be cereful with

their dimensions. The wire need to fit in those (damn) Din 5

connectors (grin).

Dear chakster, I meant corrosion of the copper wire but assume

that everyone changed those old RCA connectors(grin). I also

stated ''with some exception'' by tonearm producers who made

their own phono-cables. For example Ikeda produced silver cable

which was available as separate and usually bought for the FR-66.

Micro and SAEC also produced or ordered , say, better cables

for their (more expensive) tonearms. But speaking in general

those old Din 5 cables are worthless despite the fact that our

dear chakster thinks otherwise.

Dear chakster, There is some truth in the old Roman confusion

between the truth and the autority. Aristoteles still rule in some

social ''sciences'' with his autority. Well as Rauls best student

you should be sensitive for his argument. You of course know

why he refuse to buy any cart with inbuilt headshell. The reason

is corroded (headshell) wire. My own argument is about the

money. You stated that $250-300 is expensive for 1m cable.

But I guess that the most of your MM carts are more expensive.

I seldom use my MM carts while my MC carts are much more

expansive than the MM kind. Why should I then mess with

those old mediocre cables from the 80is?

BTW my SUT's adventure started recently. To start with I bought

Ikeda's  FR -3. He uses uitput cables instead of output connectors.

I wanted to change the connectors but was shocked with the

state of wire. So, it seems, even Raul is sometime right (grin).

One need to compare FR SUT's with, say, Denon AU-S1 to

see and hear the difference. Anyway I hope you deed not spend

mucho dollars for your speaker wire(grin).

Dear chakster, It is a question of preference while we also need

to save on something or other. So I use, for example, Bullet RCA

instead of WBT (grin). Thanks to my brother Don (Griffiths) I can

get those Signal cables with discount and use for both; IC's and

phono-cables. Pure silver or silver coted copper wire. One of

my FR-64s has silver inside the other copper. I think that the

armwand wire is better isolated than the (old) phono-cables wire.

This may explain the fact that there are not much complains about

(inside) wire by the ''old tonearms''. Except by Rega 300 for my

son I never changed inside wire by any of my tonearms.

BTW I am not a wire fetishist.

Dear Chakster, I needed some time to answer your last question.

Curious but true the most frustrating ''part'' in our system chain

are those damn ''tags'' or ''pins''. Consider those expensive tonearms

(Reed,Triplanar,etc) with fast headshells and worthless tags. That

is to say when the invoved tags break or drop. I would be sorry

for whomever is in your vicinity. Anyway I compare this state of

affairs with Armani suit in combo with Nikes. We, the decent people

would not like to be associated  with such kinds. Well there are

only two kinds of decent tags in our known universe. Clearaudio and

Cardas. Alas both very expensive and , curiously, sold as 4 samples.

We of course need 8. Depending from the number of your Armani

suits you need to multiplay with 8. This means using those tags

for our most expensive and beloved carts.

BTW I noticed that our dear Lew does not like Litz wire. He obviously

 forget headshell wire or overlooked the problem (grin).

Dear chakster, you divided my (former)  post in different issues

or questions. You last question was about headshell wire. But

you also questioned my preference for Bullet and WBT (RCA)

connectors  and put your own opinion about ''the best one'' as

Xhadow kind. But you obviously missed the ,say, ''essence'' of

Eichmanns innovation. That is ''one point'' grounding and as less

metal as possible. WBT copied Bullets invention two years

later probably because Eichmann deed not protect his invention

by patent. However WBT kept its complicated construction with

fastening mechanisme for both (opposite) connectors which

meant the use of more metal for the connector. Consider those

thin wire , needed for those (damn) Din 5 connectors in relation

to ''abundance '' of metal on the other side. ''Your Xhadow'' looks

like the old WBT connector. Ground on both sides of the connector.

From this follows that you don't believe that Eichmanns innovation

is actually  ''innovation at all''. Or you missed the ''essence'' (grin).

Dear chakster, The Germans have a curious attitude about

philosophy. They collectivly admire their Hegel and Kant but

also state: ''there is nothing so easy as to refute an philosopher.

The only thing one need to do is read some other''.

Compare this with ,say, HIFI reviewers . Lew already suggested

my intention but when I become member of our forum (2007)

I terminated my 5 HIFI Magazines subscriptions. BTW I had no

idea that my membership would be so much more expensive. Think

of the number of my carts (grin).

''Re-soldering'' of the RCA connectors? This, my young friend,

is not done. As I already mentioned ''your Xhadow'' connector

looks like the old WBT connector. But they changed their mind

and copied Eichmann. I would not dare to ever contradict Lew so I

agree with his opinion about Eichmann's.

I like comical stories if they can enlighten the issue involved like

a kind of introduction. Two Serbian hunters are walking in the

montain searching for animals. ''Look there at the top of the

montain: a (montain) goat''. ''You must be blind'' say the other ''it

is obviously an eagle''. The disagrement lasts till the ''thing on the

montain top''  started to fly. ''Do you see an eagle!'' say the ''eagle

man''. ''Still a goat'' say the other.

i remembered this story by reading the 3th post of our dear

chakster about the RCA connectors.

Dear chakster, I am not Frank but guess that the price difference

between Neutric and Eichman is the reason. One usually don't

ask his butcher about the quality of his meat. There is even a

Dutch saying about this: ''the bucher should not value his own meat''.

But why should you refer to others? You have your own ears.

The fact that your hands are not ''born'' for soldering ''art '' you

can't ascribe to Eichmann. Anyway if one looks at both kinds one

can easylly see the opposite philosophy of their making: one point

ground and thrifty use of metal by Eichmann and the opposite by

Hhadow. Read the first post by Lew about this ''philosophy'' and

wonder about his last post . I think that he never considered carrer

in diplomacy. Even with Raul he keeps friendly relation. This is,

alas, not given to us the ordinary humans (grin).

Dear dover, I quote from  Lew's post ( 06-27-017) :'' I have been

using the Eichmann silver bullets, etc. ''because I see a sound

philosophy behind their design''. I refered to this philosophy

as ''one point ground'' and ''as less metal as posible''. I also

assume that the plastic body has the same function as isolation

of the wire in front of the connector. Lew  obviously changed his

mind about the ''desing philosophy'' by his later praise of the

Xhadow which design philosophy  is totally different (aka ''abundance

of metal''). This was my reason to assume his diplomatic

capabilities (grin).

Can you explain in technical terms why ''one point ground'' and

''sparing use of metal'' is important? If the plastic body instead

of metal body is also important please explain. I need this to

convince chakster: ''not a goat but an eagle ''.