Vandersteen 2Wq subwoofers with M5-HP crossovers - help needed


I have been happily using a pair of Vandy 2Wq subs with single-ended M5-HP crossovers for a few years now. My system was dialed in the way I like it (bass a bit on the full side, but still tight and defined). I just had my amplifier repaired and upgraded, and the new input impedance is 22k ohms vs. the 10k ohms before the upgrade. I followed the Vandersteen recommendation for the jumper settings in the M5-HP (6 and 7 only, "on" or not open), and the bass is just about MIA altogether. As per the Vandy web site, I disregarded the chart on the case of the M5-HP and followed the chart on the web site.  Because I am an idiot, I didn’t bother to mark down the settings of the jumpers prior to changing them. Anybody have any suggestions for me that will restore the bass? I am pretty sure the issue is the jumper settings. Thanks in advance!
bondmanp

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Sounds like 10 K should work but confirm it .
 If you go to Vandersteen website under resources download the Vandertones make a CD or file turn preamp volume down.
 track 27 is 1000 hz track 31 is 80 HZ  get a Voltmeter set to AC Volts looks like a sideways  s snake and connect probes clipped to amps speaker posts Red is Plus Black is Minus
Play track 27 and slowly raise preamps Volume up till Volt meter says 1 V AC then play track 31 if your dips are set right it should now read.707
 once you get it set a few days of run in should sound great again.
  JohnnyR
Bond,
  the instructions below
 the part you missed that engaged the protection
 If you go to Vandersteen website under resources download the Vandertones make a CD or file
((((((((((((((((((((((((( turn preamp volume down.)))))))))))))))))))))
 track 27 is 1000 hz track 31 is 80 HZ get a Voltmeter set to AC Volts looks like a sideways s snake and connect probes clipped to amps speaker posts Red is Plus Black is Minus
Play track 27 and slowly raise preamps Volume up till Volt meter says 1 V AC then play track 31 if your dips are set right it should now read.707
 once you get it set a few days of run in should sound great again.
  JohnnyR
What the sticker says is for 100 hz
one setting down is 80 hz
 The meter confirmes the above procedure.
Every time you change setting start again trk 27 with 1 v .ac.then use track 31 for 80 hz.
 Call me later if you're going nuts.
 JR 
Harbour Freight has nice big red 23 dollar Voltmeter.
 It sounds like your meter is shorting your amp's speaker outputs provoking it into protection.

You need to find out where this newly modified amps input impedance really is.
We have seen modifiers install transformers at the input stage,
changing the amps input impedance thinking they are making a masterpiece and muck up the whole picture.
  
Also, your older pre-owned Hi pass units 2012 batteries should be changed immediately and have the 10-year lithium Batteries installed by Vandersteen or a real tech,..and performance verified.
 Best JohnnyR
  
(((I doubt my amp builder would get the input impedance wrong; he is a bit of a wiz at these things))))
Bond
I believe that you are totally convinced that he is a real genius and
that he thinks its the correct spec.
Problem is many amps with a given input impedance may be using use a
 bipolar driver transistor instead of a JFET and have a varied Input impedance at some frequencies.
This then sends a leaner signal into the 2WQs feed forward design
This is why I have been trying to tell you
 You really have to get a new AC voltmeter meter and confirm the impedance with the directions I gave you above.
 Only the meter will know whats right.
 
JohnnyR
 
 PS pop into the store and ill show you how to do it in 3 to 5 min
   
 
(((I will say I’m a bit surprised about RV’s questioning of a manufacturer’s specified input impedance not being as stated, )))
It’s not about trust or questioning or what the input impedance spec in the owners manual reads.Its what the voltmeter reads plain and simple.
The reason this is misunderstood is some amps have
J fet drivers some bipolars which measure slightly different at 1000 vs100 hz or 80 hz
((The absolute only way is to confirm is with an AC Volt meter not an owners manual))
Install red and black voltmeter probes in amp speaker binding posts turn down volume in pre amp play Vandertones CD track 27 1000 hz with Voltmeter set to AC millivolts adjust pre-amp volume slowly up till it reads 1V AC then play track 30 for 100 hz Vandy five, seven, Quatros, etc or track 31 for 80 hz Vandy 2W 2WQ or new Sub 3 if your xover dip switches are set properly or installed at amp factory it should read .707 If not start from the begining adjust dip switches untill you have it set properly.I also think you are fine with the Rogue Pharaoh if you confirm above or your amp was done at Rogue and measured as above.
Best,JohnnyR,Vandersteen Dealer