VAC Signature MK2a pre "phono tube questions"


Hi there I have a VAC pre with MC/MM, upon opening noticed there are two roles of 3 12AX7 tubes in each totaling 6.

Question;

1. Anyone have any experience tube rolling these and if so with what?

2. Are they three matched pairs or all matched?

3. They are a Chinese tube that came standard with the pre., anything special about them?
I have found on other gear which came with Chinese 12AX7 tubes they were nothing special and by substituting I found the sound was transformed, sounding allot better using other tubes.

4. Can you mix and match, say the first role Bugle Boys, second Tel for examaple or best to stay with one brand through out.

I have allot of really nice matched pairs but only that.

Any assistance would be appreciated.
dev

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Hi Jafox,

You ask why I would ask such questions, why wouldn't I, you obviously did not know the answers to my question entirely either. I'm always learning, I also like to know what other owners specifically are using or what they have found in relation to comparisions. I'm a fairly new comer also to owning the VAC pre-amp specifically so I had no clue to what these tubes were responsible for. I have read info. in relation to the line stage tube changes and also some with the 300.1 amps but nothing directed to the actual phono section.

As for what tubes come with a specific pce is out of mine and your control and a debate in general which should be taken up and directed to the manufacture but I do agree with in general what Pcosta wrote.

My questions

I see no replies from actual owners as of yet but thanks for the general info.

I do have some info. that was provided by Brent;

- The back row of tubes are the inputs.
- Middle row second gain stage.
- Front row are the low impedance output buffers.

"They all play a part in the sound, but the front set are theoretically under the most stress, so I would avoid putting anything delicate and/or rare in that position."

"The Chineses 12AX7 is currently the best one on the market by far. They are of current manufacture, and remarkable in that regard, though they are from the top 10% of the batch in terms of performance, even before they are graded.
The Chinese tubes are not the prettiest tubes, but they are remarkably consistant."

"With 6 tubes to play with, simply swapping them around usually nets a good result in terms of channel balance, and with passive RIAA, they aren't as critcal to one another."
Hi Wrm57,

Congrats! and thanks for that added info., what you wrote in relation to position really provides clarification of such and greatly appreciated. I assumed such but this now confirms.

Hi Kurt tank,

ya I read that thread also but no one really appeared to be specific in relation to the phono stage only tubes and now that we have this info. we know and such will assist with any others interested.

Next will be the actual comparisons and in the end the findings, unfortuantely mine will have to wait a bit because my amps are still in break-in mode and I don't want to miss out on hearing any sonic differences due to such.

I have some very nice matched paires from different manufactures on hand and will most defiantly be trying and comparing, hopefully Wrm57 will report back his findings.

Hey if it works out the stock tubes work than that will be a bonus but I would be shocked just because of my past experience with other gear doing such, time will tell.

Hi Wrm57,

thanks for that information in relation to the phono section, look forward to your further results when you get your tubes.

Great to read that you are also happy with the pairing, I know of a few others whom also pulled the trigger and now have the same combo and truly enjoying.
Wrm57,

thanks for the update, how many hours does your unit have on it now.

Kinda wondering if it is broken-in as of yet.

If so a recap of comparisions to your Manley specifically, once I have my 500 or so hours logged in with my 450's then at that time I will be wanting to do some phono comparisons.

When talking to Brent or Kevin did you happen to get any information in relation to the phono they have been working on.