VAC 70/70 mk3 tube rolling question


I recently purchased a VAC 70/70 mk3 s. Where can I find more information about the tubes diagram for the amp? I know it uses two 6sn7 per channel. Are there any differences in functionality between the two 6sn7 used for each channel? For example, do I need to use a matching pair of 6sn7 per channel?

I have one matched pair of RCA red base 6sn7 and a matched pair of Raytheon vt231 6sn7. The RCA are good for lush mids with 3d soundstage and Raytheon vt231are good for speed and accuracy.

They were meant to be used for the Schiit freya plus which uses a pair of 6sn7 for output stage and another pair of 6sn7 for voltage gain stage. Now since I already get a VAC renaissance 5 preamp, I am wondering if I can use my two pairs of 6sn7 on the VAC 70/70 amp.

My question is can I use one RCA + one Rayheon vt231 for each channel of the VAC? Or should I use a matched pair of 6sn7 for each channel? What are the recommended settings?

Also, any experiences about tube rolling on the VAC 70/70 mk3 are welcome. Like which 300B amps or 6sn7 combinations give you the best results.
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@lowrider57  Thanks for the helpful information. Forgive me as I don't understand all the details of the williamson circuit and I can't upload photos here. 

So basically there are four 6sn7 tubes in the front row of 70/70. Assume they are V1, V2, V3, V4 from left to right. My understanding is that V1, V2 are for channel 1, and V3, V4 are for channel 2, is that right?

My question is which ones are for gain stage and which ones are for phase inverters? ( If my above assumption is right, is v1, v3 for gain stage; v2, v4 for phase inverters ?) Thanks!  
@lowrider57  I heard back from Kevin this morning. Actually it is V1 and V4 are drivers and V2 V3 are phase splitters. Here is Kevin's response:


"Yes, it is perfectly fine to mix brands of 6SN7. In your scenario, use one brand for the V1x positions, and the other for the V2x positions.

Technically, 6SN7 GTA or GTB types should be used, but we have not heard of any significant problems with earlier NOS version, although they do have lower maximum ratings.

With respect to matching, when operating the 70/70 with zero negative feedback, matching the gains of the tubes between the left and right channels helps to keep the center image centered. Section matching within each V2x tube is desirable but not highly critical."

Anyone needs the diagram he send me, I can also email to you if needed. 
@lowrider57  Yes I checked the user manual online here: http://www.vac-amps.com/manuals/Manual_Ren70-70.pdf

Unfortunately the Figures that shown the tube placement are missing. (figure 2).
@drrsutliff  Thanks for the info! Too bad the figures that are showing which socket is which are missing in the online manual. I sent Kevin an email asking about the placement. Hope he can get back to me soon. 
@rodman99999  Thanks a lot for these info! I purchased my two pairs of 6sn7 from Brent at audiotube.com. He helped me picking up those sets. Personally I don't have a lot of experiences with tube rolling.