I'm not sure of the question, but at Staples you can get the Nashua brand CD-R (Digital Audio) for something like $35. There are no jewel boxes at that price, but cost/cd is 70 cents! With the jewel boxes, a 10 pack is about $11.50. That's pretty cheap! My Pioneer recorder is only able to use the Digital Audio designated discs to record. Charlie
I agree with Charlie, and I have the Pioneer W739 CD recorder. These "consumer grade" recorders must read and recognize the SCMS watermarking on the audio/music CD-R blanks, or it will not record (but I've never actually tried it). "Pro" CD recorders avoid the SCMS and can use regular computer CD-R blanks. Cheers. Craig.
Right. The cheapest CD-Rs are computer only. They have a Compact Disk Recordable logo but they are not designed for music. I can record and play back music on them on my computers CD burner but few audio CD players will play them and almost no DVD players will. My Harmon Kardon burner will not recognize them either to record or to play. The next up are the music CDRs which will work on the music burners. But again almost no DVD player will recognize them, but most CD players will. It's not the brand that's the issue, its the type of cdr. Music or data. The data CD-Rs are going for around $0.40 each and the music for about twice that. Still cheap.
I should report that all the digital CD-R "Digital Audio" designated discs I have made all play, without fail, on my Pioneer DV-525 DVD player into a Bel Canto DAC1. I would also like to say, in the spirit of this site in the "good old days," my Pioneer W839 is WAY better than Craig's W739. [:)] Charlie
.....the Pioneer W739 is less than 9 months old and already an antique?? I do think I paid a lot more than Charlie did for his machine, so mine MUST be better, ie more "high end". NO? Get pixelated Charlie! Cheers. Craig
You can record on cheaper grade computer CD blanks with the Phillips CDR880. It can be fooled into recording on the computer media. Stereophile magazine reported this and Phillips pulled the CDR880, but many had already been sold. I am sorry, but I do not remember the Stereophile issue that covered this. I, however, do know how to do it and will
be glad to help anyone who is interested. (Please email me direct) The only problem in doing this is that you cannot pause during the recording process. It is great for copying CD's directly to the lower cost media.
Keis, the problem you are having with computer grade CDR's not playing in cd players that audio grade CDR's play in is very, very unusual. It has been my experience that once finalized there is no diference between the two regarding the ability to play back. Either the cd player will play CDR's or won't. I have had some experiences where a CD player will reject a certain brand of CDR's regardless of whether it is audio or computer. I'm not saying your experiences are false, just unusual. I would like to know more. BTW, I have burned over 2500 or more CDR's, for my use or others, with at least 10 diferant brands, old and new, made in USA, Japan or Tiwain, Audio or Computer with consistant result. Either the cd player plays CDR's or it doesn't. The discs I have recorded on computer grade cd's are happily spinning in no fewer than 20 diferant types of audio cd players and none of these have rejected them and accepted only audio CDR's. PSBTW, Some players will play CDR's but never play CDRW's. Apparently the laser in these decks are incapable of reading CDRW's. Let me know more about the problems you been having, that way I can, as well as others, learn to avoid them.
Ok. I have the Harmon Cardon burner. It will not burn CDRs that don't have the audio CD logo. You are correct about CD players. Most players will play CDRs. My concern was with DVD players. Most will not play CDRs. Yes a few do but I haven't found a Sony or Tosiba for instance that will.
I believe it won't burn them due to the fact that it is a consumer CDR not a "pro" unit. This is common for all consumer models. However, I have heard that some new consumer models will accept computer grade. Although, that is just rumor at this time.
Ramstl, have you found a particular brand of CDR, ("Digital Audio" type for use in a consumer grade machine,) to be a better performer than another? I have tried Sony, Maxcell, and Nashua, so far, and I cannot tell a difference. The Nashua brand is very inexpensive and can be bought in bulk at my local Staples. Thanks, Charlie.
No. However, I haven't use any consumer CDR's. But I don't think there are any differencs between computer vs audio from the same manufacture. But, I could be wrong. I use Imations, they are cheap and come in a thin style case. Which saves room. I compare them to the master and I can't hear a difference on my system. Maybe on a $100,000 system I could but on my $20,000 I can't. Athough, I haven't done exhaustive listening. You see, I have to back up my recordings and at this time this is the best I can afford. At one time I read studies that were done on CDR media and it stated that there were only 3 or 4 manufactures of CDR media. At that time they were made in USA, Japan and Tawain. They stated that for the most part all of the CDR's made in Tawain did not survive the aging process very well. They said the Japanese were better and the USA were good. They named manufactures, but I forget who they were. I believe they mentioned memtek as one of the ones to avoid. They also mentioned that the real cheap bulk one are bad. They stated that Sony, TDK, Imations ect were good. However, this study was done 2- 1.5 years ago and quess what? All the manufacturing is done in Tawain now. The CDR's they stated were good are no longer made in the same manufacturing plants and have since moved to Tawain and since 80 minutes is the norm most of the dye has changed. I haven't seen or read a new study, but I would be interested in what is new. Anyway, I haven't had any problems with Imations.
Thanks for your input, Ramstl.
My Harmon Kardon records on SOME computer (DATA) only CDR's. I have used imations and sometime they work, and the I get a batch that doesn't!? Anyone got the answer to this one? I have one of the first CDR 2's HK put out. I have found that really cheap blanks sound bad whether recorded at 4x or real time. I recently opened a thread regarding best CDR blank, and the general concensus is the all sound OK. I have been checking out a company on the net (americal.com). They offer a large selection of blanks, and offer sample packs so you can find out if they work in your gear. The Tayo Yuden blanks I got failed to work in my HK. Their prices on CD labels ( their brand) are really reasonable compared to Fellowes etc. The glossy labels I got from them actually work far better than the brand name labels. Later!