unbalanced xlr input (a24) to mytek balanced output


Does the 6db increase exist in this situation, unbalanced xlr input (a24) to mytek balanced output.  I have searched for the answer and called Parasound and they are finding a tech to call me back but then I thought this would be faster.

Andrew
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Are you sure you meant A24? I can’t find any reference to a Parasound A24 among both current and discontinued products that are listed at their website, or via a Google search.

Also, if you meant A23 (or various other Parasound amplifier models), as far as I can tell its XLR inputs are balanced, not unbalanced as you indicated above.

Finally, what model is the Mytek?

Regards,
-- Al
Let me try again A21. Thats pretty funny. I have the Brooklyn DAC. Adding a couple Sub woofers and need both the XLRs for the A21 and the RCAs for the Subs. I have been messing around with some single drivers and I like them so I figured if I get some good subs I can get all kinds of different drivers. Just curious because the A21 is not an actual balanced input is that 6db increase that usually exists between a true XLR to XLR in this case.
maybe Im getting a true  balanced differential and common XLRs mixed up. Im a little lost. If it is not a balanced differential wouldnt it just be XLRs (really RCAs) connected instead of RCAs?
In the case of the A21 yes, it has true differential XLR inputs. The A23 does not.

However, it’s a trivial thing to adjust for this gain with a sub. The A21 and a sub both have gain adjustments.





A component can have input and/or output circuits that are balanced and differential regardless of whether the rest of its internal signal path is balanced and differential or not. If the entire signal path of a component is balanced, it is usually referred to as being “fully balanced,” or words to that effect.

In this case I’m pretty certain that aside from its input circuits the internal signal path of the A21 is single-ended, but several things in its description, specs, and manual appear to indicate that its input circuits which receive the signals provided to its XLR connectors are in fact balanced and differential. Including a statement in its description that it provides "balanced inputs with discrete circuits and XLR connectors"; the fact that its input impedance is specified as "33 k Ω unbalanced; 66 k Ω balanced"; and various statements in the manual referring to the advantages of balanced interconnections.

Also, while it is true that connecting a balanced output to a balanced input (as you indicated you would be doing in connecting the Mytek DAC to the A21) will often result in 6 db more overall system gain than would be provided by an unbalanced connection between the same components, that is not always the case. It depends on the designs of the specific interface circuits in **both** components. And after looking at the descriptions and manuals of the two components I don’t see enough information to determine the answer in this case.

BTW, I see also that the Brooklyn DAC incorporates internal jumpers that are said to provide the capability of reducing its output levels by 6 db. That may not have any relevance to your question, but I thought I’d point it out.

Regards,

-- Al


Sometimes an XLR input is actually not differential, but there for convenience. The A23 is an example. The (-) pin on the XLR input is grounded.

In the A21 however the (+) and (-) pins are not grounded, each has a 33k impedance to ground and the difference between them is used to determine the output.
In my setup between true-balanced Bat42se and a21 there is no 6db increase via XLR connection, but between my two separate Bat components and other true-balanced devices the increase in volume  is obvious. I doubt the a21 is a true-balanced amp.
Thanks a lot for the responses. So what I gather is they are in fact true balanced connections, the signal path however is not a "true-balanced" signal path completely like hasmartos Bat42se. I gather there are very nice benefits to use XLR regardless whether they are balanced from beginning to end or not. Impedance being an obvious one. So much to learn so little time
Erik_Squires 3-13-2019
The A23 is an example. The (-) pin on the XLR input is grounded.

Erik, are you sure about that? From the manual for the A23:

The Input Stage:

The A 23’s input stage uses matched pairs of discrete JFETs arranged in a differential configuration. JFETs are ideal for the input stage because their inherently high impedance is unaffected by the impedance of source components. Differential configuration provides superior noise reduction. These precision input JFETs are also cascoded to produce the current necessary to drive the MOSFET drivers in the following stage.

Also, while grounding pin 3 of an XLR input connector (the inverted signal pin) would be appropriate in many cases if that input were driven by a balanced output that is transformer coupled, or is actively driven but is "floating" with respect to ground, it could potentially cause performance problems, or conceivably even damage over the long-term, to some components having actively driven balanced outputs. (See this thread for an example of a CD player that buzzed as a result of pin 3 being grounded by an adapter cable). Yet the manual for the A23 provides no cautions about the potential for any such issues.

Best regards,
-- Al

P.S:  Perhaps pin 3 is grounded when and only when the switch on the rear panel that selects between balanced and unbalanced inputs is set to "unbalanced."  That would make much more sense.

Best regards
-- Al