Ultralinear and Triode. What's the difference


What are the tonal differences between these two modes of operation?
gnugear

Showing 3 responses by pauly

Philefreak, KT88 and 6550s are tetrodes. The “KT” stands for kinkless tetrode. The screen and suppressor grids are tied, hence being a tetrode. An EL34 is a true pentode.

Running a 6550 in triode mode simply means that the suppressor grid is biased to the anode, normally via a resistor. It does not compromise the working of the working of the tube or the sound in any way. The suppressor and screen grid do not “get in the way” of the functioning of the tube when run in triode mode. Most audio critics/audiophiles prefer pentode and tetrode tubes wired as triodes.

Regards
Paul
01-19-07: Jeffreybehr "... but the 'sound' part I disagree with strongly."

preference in sound is 100% subjective and as such rather stupid basis for an argument.

"That's why virtually no Single-Ended Triode amp is made with KT88s or 6550s or EL34s or any other P/T."

Really? I happen to own a SE ASL KT88 triode and an acquaintance owns a Art Audio Gill Signature. I guess those two are anomalies? Or perhaps you are the one generalizing?

"The VAST majority of builders and buyers of SETs build and buy them equipped with real triodes such as 45s, 2A3s, 300Bs, 845s, or 805s*.

The vast majority of builders and buyers build and listen to transistor amps. Doesn't mean that's to everybody's taste, does it?

"Probably most push/pull triode amps are designed with P/Ts for some reason."

Wow, really? Funny, I own a SE 6550 Audionote wired in tetrode mode which sound just great. Should we call Peter Qvortrup and tell him he is a dummy for designing such an amp?

I must have build about 20 tube power amps and there is nothing that makes a triode more (or less) suitable for a SE application than a tetrode or pentode.

[Most audio critics/audiophiles prefer pentode and tetrode tubes wired as triodes]
"Really? My understanding is just the opposite."

Just about every review of an amp with a triode vs. ultraliniar switch, the reviewer has always preferred triode mode. You should try read some reviews.

“I believe that triodes get the harmonics of the music better than do P/Ts”

LOL, they “get” it better, do they? Yep, I am out of my league attempting to argue with my limited knowledge.

“"I'm now on my 2nd pair of mono SETs, this time with high-sensitivity speakers, DIY open-baffle linearrays, and I have NO plans to ever consider going back to tubed amps using P/Ts.”

Bully for you.

"The typical output power of these class-A triodes used in SETs approximate ... blah blah"

FYI , it is somewhat redundant to say “ class-A triodes used in SETs” as any SE amp has to run class A. Also, there is no such thing as a class A triode. Class A refers to how the tube is used. Any triode can be wired in class A or class B. Thought I'd let you know.

Regards
Paul
Hi Philefreak. My response to you was not meant in any derogatory fashion, and I apologize if it came across as such. (I re-read my response to you and cannot figure why I got such an insulting response from Jeffry)

In my response to you I simply wanted to state that by triode strapping a pentode you do not compromise the tube in anyway, in fact no matter how you configure it, it still runs as a pentode/tetrode.

A pentode/tetrode needs to have it suppressor and screen grid biased to +. There are basically three ways to do that. You can bias the grid from the power supply (pentode/tetrode mode), you can bias them from a center tap on the primary winding of the output transformer (ultra-linear) or you can bias them from the anode (triode mode). Why the latter is called triode mode I am not sure as the tube's suppressor and screen grids still function as designed, and as such the tube is still functions as a tetrode/pentode in every respect.

To your point, a triode strapped pentode is not a triode; not by a long shot. (But I cannot see where I supposedly had said anything to the contrary)

It is however, quite handy to have the triode vs. ultra linear switch as allows you to slightly alter the characteristics of the amplifier. As such you can change it to suit the music you play. Most audiophiles normally prefer pentodes to be triode strapped. Personally I prefer pentode/tetrode mode, but I have rewired a number of peoples tube amps to triode for them.

As for pentodes or tetrodes being inferior to triodes, well that is plain ignorance. Most pentode/tetrode amps have cheap components and cheap output transformers. As such they are unimpressive. However, if you ever have the opportunity to hear an amp like an Art Audio Gill (single ended triode strapped EL34) or AudioNote 6550 SE (single ended tetrode) you'll forget any notion of pentode/tetrode being inferior. They can provide fantastic sound given the right design and components that exceed true triodes in some areas.

“I'm going on my sound preference alone, not a debate over tube topology correctness. “

That makes two of us.

Regards
Paul