UGH...The tired, "BEST" Rock guitarist thread

"I don't generally go along with the concept of 'best':

larsman- I agree. Musicianship isn't the same as the fastest sprinter or athletic endeavor.  

It is however, interesting to hear an opinion from a polarizing guy as Ted, who does have cred to make such a statement.

The non relevant straying is....TIRED, as the title says. 

jet88- if everyone  simply ignored EVERY musician/entertainer's opinions outside of their musical ability, perhaps the world would be a little calmer?

Ted's a fine Rock guitartist who knows where R&R came from, and where it went with EVH. His opinions and all other musicians  outside of music I mute.

stereo5- I imagine if one’s beliefs followed a certain orange haired,red capped genuis, he might be?

I just admired his playing and knowledge/experience as a R&R geetar player in the 70’s. He is the real deal as far as R&R musicianship.

Otherwise, if were in my 20’s I likely would see him as some old, irrelevant white dude.

Sigh...oh dear

My post misunderstood. My fault since I always think most will " get it"

I believe a typical 20 something would see Mr Nugent as musically irrelevant. That all that  was meant. Good grief!

For those who aren't guitar players/admirers...never mind(as Emily would say)

What EVH represents is the R&R guitarist who came out of the dying Classic Rock  period(which doesn't go beyond mid 70's or so, IMO) and introducing  things truly revolutionary that just about ALL Rock guitarist moving forward, acknowledge.

I quickly lost interest in VH after their 2nd LP. Saw them in 78 when their debut came out and they were doing their first rounds of arena concerts not long after doing Pasadena backward parties and Holliday Inns and the LA clubs.

Ted Templeman produced  the debut LP-Anyone who also listened to early Montrose knows the BIG SOUND of those albums. No audiophool LP needed.

"Blues Breakers/Cream era Clapton"

edcyn-

can't remember exact articles, but I've read many over the years of 70's era players citing the "Beano" BB album as their inspiration. 

  You probably know those Clapton BB runs were essentially juiced up riffs rom all his Blues heroes, which Eddie listened to. I picked up on it in the early 80's and finally understood what it meant to go backwards to understand R&R history.

The  title implies one of those silly, chest pounding, insert the name threads, BUT is clarified with Theodore talking about Eddie.

Since Whitefish1175 decided to jack the thread with something completely UNRELATED, I'll pile on to it. Along with my Teddy LP, I got this-:

Jean Luc Ponty Play the music of Frank Zappa-excellent!

 " Maybe take a journey to the center of your mind."

bigtwin- +1

Amboy Dukes LP's fortunately are always in the 3/$10 bin, but I haven't found an unmolested copy yet. I have the debut and "Call of the Wild".

"For me Eddie was best rock guitarist long before Ted said so…"

johhnycamp5- I knew from the first time I heard VH's cover of "You Really Got Me" in 1978 that EVH was different and, unique. After seeing VH, it was confirmed.

Ted is so polarizing, I think it's cool he mentions EVH as a "BEST".

I'll keep the thread off topic  since the mentions are cool artists. This is just breakfast time filler anyway.

John  Mclaughlin IS one of the original guitar "shredders" before the term "shred."

As a guitar wanker, always hypnotized listening /watching someone play a million notes with the space of 1. There are plenty of players that can do that, but Mclaughlin is one of the few to get away with it.

I especially like his world/Indian CD release. Great live album. Maybe a good audiophool  showoff for those into that sort of thing.

Well, the thread is totally off topic, but what the heck...

"saw Joe Pass in the mid 70s"

wolf_garcia-Yes! My guitar teach and I saw Joe at the local college in the late 70's.

I wish I could have seen Barney Kessel- an original "wrecking crew" player before there was the "wrecking crew." 

"A good time was had by all at a Ramones gig" 

larsman-

I was fortunate to catch the original lineup with Marky, and with Richie. I thought the Ramones were in "Jumped the Shark"  territory with the R&R High School  movie appearance. For me, they peaked at the Rocket to Russia album. 

Hardcore guitar guys would question Johnny's guitar ability, but playing the way he did consistently is tough. I can't play all downstrokes the way he did! Johnny Ramone- master of  2 minute- 1,2,3 4 count off songs!

onhwy61- all the players listed are great-Rick Derringer imm

ediately brings to mind the incomparable Johnny Winter.

I’ve posted this before- A real R&R guitarist has to make Johnny B Goode their own.

"All 20 somethings think all good musicians are irrelevant."

Like many things, such a statement isn't true. It's just 20 something musicians and very few 20 something non musicians who do.

"But I wouldn't put Nugent in the top 1000 guitarists."

clearthinker-the screename and your replies don't seem to correlate.

The video clearly defines the thread. It's about Ted opinion of who took post Classic Rock guitar to the next level, which was EVH.

Funny how the thread subject quickly turned into the ridiculous "best" it wasn't intended  to be.

"I can listen to all curated VH in random;

Fire In The Hole"

fuzztone- I tried to listen VH after their 2nd album, but quickly lost interest. VH  was still a great band, but just wasn't my thing. I also found the Sammy Halen thing of no interest, while I dig his Montrose years.

Larsman, you're reading way  too much into my comments. I simply agree with Ted's assessment of EVH's gift of guitar, and what it stood for-nothing more. No social issues involved.

leadcrew-

YOU win the internet.

The thread is about Ted's view on EVH and R&R, that's it.

I saw Ted in 76, at his peak (IMO)before his "Cat Scratch Fever" and later rubbish.