Tube preamp options

My system from the preamp on consists of a rouge rp-7, rogue m180 monoblocks, and vandersteen quatro wood speakers. My main source is a brinkmann Bardo through a Rogers PA-2 phono pre. It all sounds great. But there's that itch, you know? I get tremendous soundstage but not that much depth. Clarity is great, mids are nice, bass is excellent. But it doesn't quite have that in the room sound that I'm looking for. The RP7 sounded too solid state and analytical for me out of the box with the stock JJ tubes so I've done extensive rolling. Been through all sorts of NOS tubes and landed on amperex as they seem to have the best balance of warmth and clarity. My thought is, maybe I can find a pre that has those attributes out of the gate without all the rolling. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of being able to tailor the sound with trying different tubes but I feel like maybe there's a brand out there who's house sound I like better. I haven't listened to anything more yet but brands that are on the list to check out are Backert labs, maybe a used ARC Ref 6, VTL, VAC. There are a million little boutique brands tho and I'm asking what people have heard in the 10k price range, new or used, that might be a good fit for me and why. 



If it was me, I wouldn’t bother recalibrating the subs when moving the Quatros further into the room unless you have to.  When you move the speakers another foot or two into the room you’ll know immediately if it’s an improvement or not, and if anything the subs will just enhance further that result.  I wouldn’t overthink or over complicate it.  Just do it and see what happens.  I think you’ll be very pleased with the result.  And, oh yeah, it’s free!

@rmdmoore What are your room dimensions from front to back ?  Mine is 16' and the front of my speakers (not Vandys but i don't think that's relevant) are 72" from the front wall.  I realize you had some issues moving yours with those granite bases but maybe just take the speakers off the bases so you can move them easily with gliders or not and you should get a sense of whether there is improvement or not.  I still think @soix is on the right track but even if not, as he said, it's free!


My room is about 18 feet deep but I can't feasibly move the speakers further into the room than I just did. My wife is very understanding and tolerant but the room is not a dedicated listening space and I'd have to move all the furniture in that room to get them out further which she is not so ok with. 


Good point. I need to sit a take a good listen, maybe tonight. Since the speakers are so far apart still, I gave them a bit of toe in as I thought that might help with focus and depth 

@rmdmoore Ahhhh, WAF enters the picture--i must admit to forgetting about that as my room is a dedicated music room.  But maybe you could bring her in on the experiment just to know whether it's the distance from the front wall that causing the lack of depth, rather than a preamp--but if you find that depth gets better as you move into the room at least you have the answer and won't chase a rabbit.  Then you can start persuading her you need an addition to the house😀 


She's funny. She loves having the giant system with the turntable in that room but I think partly cause it looks cool. But it's gotta look cool with all the other stuff in that room. Worry not though, she is supportive of an outbuilding with a dedicated listening room. She still wants a system 8n the library though so I get to buy more stuff, lol