Tube myths


Many have asked me the same question, "How does the tube sound?" Well, the sound of the tube, is affected by numerous factors, such as circuit interaction, voltage applied to the tube, system setup, use of the tube, etc. All these things, combine, to make the sonics that one's hears, in his system. A bright sounding tube, in a mellow system, will appear to sound neutral. A tube that accentuates, the presence region, in a room with a dip, in that same region, will sound neutral. A neutral sounding tube, in a etched sounding system, will pass the etched sound along, and appear to sound etched. See what I am getting at? It's very hard, to know how a tube will sound, to the end user, in his/her room, and his/her system, based on how it sounds, in yours.
Different tube manufacturers, had a "house sound", whereas the tubes, they manufactured, tended to follow. But to what degree, the end user, will hear this sound, is solely influenced, by the various factors.
Another question frequently asked, "Is the tube NOS?" Manufacturers published a "spec sheet", that listed a set of parameters, that determined, a NOS(New Old Stock) tube. In order to determine if a tube meets this specification, one must determine, the test conditions, and invariably, test for voltage gain(emission). The voltage applied to the tube, must meet the manufacturers specs, to determine, if the emissions, are what the manufacturers specified. The NOS spec, is 99% of the time, lower, than the actual emissions, of a true NOS tube. A true NOS, unused tube, tested, according to the manufacturers spec, will almost always exceed the NOS spec, by approx 10%. A tube with an emission reading of 100%, tested accordingly, usually indicates, some use. However small, it is still used. Not knowing the history, of the tube, it takes, a true emission tester, that the applied voltage, can be varied, and a working knowledge(experience) to determine, to any truthful degree, that a tube is NOS. Mutual conductance testing, is a great way to match tubes(except power tubes), but is very unreliable, in ascertaining, whether a tube is NOS. The cosmetic condition(the way a tube looks) means nothing, as far as to whether it is NOS.
I will periodically, post more info, on the various, tube myths, that are floating around the web. My best advice, is to find a tube dealer, who is willing to stand 100%, behind his products, and knowledgeable, about the product, they are offering.
fletchj

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Fletchj, I agree with your 1st para re the intrinsic sound of a tube and its actual sound being determined by its use. Here's a thought - instead of spending a fortune on equipment and cabling to compensate for problems in each other, have all tube equipment in the first place and just tune your room to your expectations using different tubes in each unit. I'd bet with good ears you could do this using current production tubes and not even have to resort to using high priced NOS tubes.
Marakanetz, One of my points is that new production tubes can sound great and can be rugged as well. You just have to be able to have options regarding their placement. Trying to tune one piece of equipment alone could well send you into NOS to get the quality you are looking for. Obviously the choices are greater. But, for example, a lot of folks spend big bucks for Tele's when some of the new production EI's are,arguably, as good in anything but the most demanding application. Why spend your money if you don't have to. My second point was that i smelled an undisclosed sales pitch by someone specializing in the sale of expensive tested and matched NOS tubes. Perhaps I was wrong.
Pbb, I tend to look at mosts things cynically, sort of like being an agnostic. There are a lot of things that I believe may well be nothing more than an illusion, but until I have personally experienced it I reserve judgment. I think a lot of the reverence for NOS tubes is hype by financially interested sellers, HOWEVER there really is better NOS stuff that can't be duplicated in current production and demand determines the price. If you can afford it why not spend your money on it or would you rather have, say a better watch, car, etc? One of my favorite observations is "you may not get what you pay for, but you will never get more than what you pay for". Some people who can afford it appreciate the difference and are willing to buy it. Good for them, they are enjoying their lives.
Marakanez, I'm not Marty, but I've nothing better to do at the moment - I think the difference, if there is one, is that Rives has openly declared himself to be a dealer and has placed ads in audiogon. When he gives advise to someone seeking it to try his products he has probably gone beyond the bounds - HOWEVER, i have not seen him post spontaneously to the effect that you need to consult with an expert to tune your room. This is precisely what Fletchj has done. The problem is, lets say you want to follow his advise, whom would you call - I don't know of a directory for NOS dealers which lists dealers with whom Fletchj competes and I'd bet that if you believed his disertations on tubes and were not experienced yourself you'd contact him. He is trying to create a demand for his business so he can then step in and fill the demand. And you will note that dispite all of the posts saying he is a dealer he has not declared, at least I have not seen it, that he is a NOS dealer and I believe that he has purposefully avoided it. Another thing that bothers me about his comments re tube expertise, he makes it sound like if I call him and describe my equipment he can recommend the correct tube for my application, the one that will sound best. As "sounding best" is always subjective and subect to the equipments synergy with other equipment as well as the room, are we to believe that he really has the extensive knowledge required to determine which tube is going to sound best in our system/room, that is he know how all equipment sounds and rooms sound. He implies that he can. Maybe I'm a cynic, but frankly I doubt it. Oh well, at least everyone who reads these post now know that he is a tube seller. Caveat emptor!
Gagged by the self-righteous few! How about revealed by experienced consumers. No one censored any information Fletchj wanted to convey, and frankly no one directly said he was wrong, even when some thought he was, including myself. For myself, I only questioned his dubious method of conducting his business by not clearly identifying himself as a person seling NOS tubes. The last post by Fletchi sez far more about him than has ever been said about him by others or his own posts. Sounds to me like a little kid who wants to pick up his marbles and go home because others won't play by his rules. He even had to resort to name calling. Too bad for him.