@jerryg123 Since you also own Raven products (I'm assuming Blackhawk?), how would you compare it to Icon Audio (not sure which model you have).
Tube integrated amps -- new Value Leaders?
Has anyone compared either the Raven Nighthawk or the most affordable version of Primaluna, Quicksilver, or Rogue Audio integrated amps against the new value leaders from China -- Wilsenton, Cayin, Doge, Muzishare, BoyuuRange, etc.?
Especially Wilsenton and Cayin have been the rage lately thanks primarily to YouTubers like Jay (that young guy, not the slightly out of shape body builder), Thomas & Stereo, Steve Guttenberg and a few more. If you listen to these guys, you start wondering why you should pay twice as much for the Ravens and Primalunas of the world. I wonder how much of it is typical Youtube sensationalism/shilling vs. objective comparisons without ulterior motives. I have never heard any of these brands, nor do I have any affiliation with them. Just curious.
Secondly, there is another brand called Rogers that seems to fly under the radar. It’s also made in the USA, build quality looks fine, and is competitively priced with Raven, Quicksilver, etc. I would love to try one of their amps some day. But they don’t seem to get much love on these forums. I wonder why.
I would like to hear from someone who has compared the new value leaders with the established ones in the tube integrated amp segment.
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Agree about Line Magnetic. I've heard that it punches substantially above its price point. However, I'm referring to the new (well sort of) value leaders that are garnering a lot of attention on YouTube. For example, I see that Wilsenton is selling their R8 model for only $1449 delivered to your doorstep on Amazon. Hand-made, point-to-point wiring, Japanese EI power transformers, almost 60 lbs., and getting great reviews. I know SQ is subjective, but I just don't see how anyone can beat this offering. |
@jerryg123 Thanks. It's amazing how much the SQ from these cheaper brands is getting close to the more expensive ones. I looked at PP20, sounds like a really good deal. Between this and Wilsenton and other similar brands, it's the first time people can enjoy affordable tube amps without sacrificing too much in terms of quality, build, and features. Good times for tube aficionados! |
I'm not sure how you can presume what my primary driver is. By the way, I've owned several amps that are up to $10K, so please keep your assumptions to yourself. The only reason I didn't include Line Magnetic is that it is a well-established, and well-known entity on these forums. I have heard LM amps on a few occasions and agree with everyone that these amps can hang with the big boys like ARC or VAC. I wanted to focus on the players in the lower price brackets that are not discussed on these forums as much. My intention was to understand if these are really a bargain, and how do they compare to other middle of the road models like Raven Blackhawk or Primulana amps. |
@danager Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think TubeHifi offers an integrated amps. But you're right, they seem to be a very good deal compared to the other brands I mentioned in this thread. |
@bob7296 why are you pasting the same message in every discussion? |