TTW Momentus V2 Copper Turntable review


I recently upgraded my turntable from the TTW's Momentus V1 to the new Momentus V2 Copper platter rim drive turntable. The Momentus V2 Copper is TTW's newest flagship table. If I could use one word to describe the turntable...SPECTACULAR ! The table is a vision of beauty and amazing sound. The big leap in performance of course is the copper platter. 88 pounds of pure copper. It takes 5 days to machine the platter alone. That's right 5 days. They put a big chunk of copper into the 5 axis CNC machine and after almost 5 days of constant machining the copper platter is born. The platter is then treated with a coating to keep the copper looking like brand new for years to come. The next big improvement is the new controller for the motor drive. Another great looking piece with some very sophisticated hardware and software installed, to control the speed of the heavy platter.

Assemble of the table is very easy but you do need help installing the platter. It took 3 people to install the platter. Two people to lift it into position and myself to guide the platter into the custom machined bearing. Very precision fit. Let me tell you something, this is world class machining at its finest. The rest of the assembly went very well and setting up the tonearm with the adjustable pod made things very easy. Set the motor into position per the instructions and we are ready to go.

First thing that needed to be done was set the speed to 33.33. I have a laser and a disc that I use. Once the desired speed was attained, it was locked in and did not move. We stared at the LED read out on the laser for 10 minutes with NO deviation in speed. Did the same thing for 45 rpm with the same results. Like I said earlier, the new motor controller is a pretty high tech piece. It sends 24,000 pulses for every rotation of the platter to control the platter speed. No one in the industry has anything close to this. Hopefully you are starting to see that this turntable is pretty amazing.

Next thing I did was to test how quiet the rim drive system was. I know many members here have negative opinions about this rim drive without owning one or even hearing one, so let me post my test of this rim drive system. I have a test record with a track that is specifically designed to measure motor noise and vibration through the platter. I started to play the track, gradually turned up the volume until I reached full volume and DEAD SILENCE - NOTHING ! I have a Bryston 14B SST amp and at 600 watts a channel, you would never be able to listen to music at that level. So lets put that noise rumor to rest, there is none.

Now for the moment of truth. Let's play some records. First up is the Beatles Abby Road. This has been one of my reference recording that I use to judge stereo equipment for years. The first thing that jumps out is the bass. I have never heard bass this deep and clean, ever. It will vibrate your body but with absolutely no distortion. Words will not do this bass reproduction justice, it is something you have to hear. Very very impressive. Next is the soundstage. The sound is so focused and detailed. The soundstage is wide and each instrument, singer, background vocals and percussions have their own unique place. You can focus in on any one of them and actually hear everything that they play, note by note with stunning clarity. The sound is not all blended together. The air around each instrument is just haunting. You actually feel like the musicians are playing in your listening room. The level of music reproduction is amazing. You will hear details in your favorite albums that you never knew existed. The level of detail that this table extracts from vinyl is just mind blowing. I listened to many other of my favorite records with the same results. Man it is like hearing these recordings for the first time.

The new Momentus V2 Copper is an attention getter. It looks fantastic, has rock steady speed, perfect pitch and is dead quiet. This is by no means an entry level turntable but you get a very big band for your buck. This table will compete strongly with the $100.000 tables that are out on the market.

All I can say is, with the TTW's Momentus V2 Copper Turntable, you don't listen to music, you experience it !
benjie

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Oops ! Holly, thanks for pointing out my typo. I think I'll leave it. One thing I would like to point out about TTW turntables is that because of their modular design you are able to upgrade the table without buying a completely new table when new products or technologies become available, which I feel is a huge advantage for the consumer. This allows your analog system to grow as your financial situation changes. Another thing I like about TTW products is that the cutting edge technologies do get integrated into their entry and mid level turntables.
Sksos1 you must of had a early design of the speed controller and motor
that was only available for a very short time. The motor supplier was
changed because of poor quality control.
I used an industrial laser tachometer. We use them at work to check the rpm of machines. Speed of the equipment is very critical where I work. I don't own a timeline or know anyone who has one.
I upgraded from V1 to V2. The V1 momentus already had the upgraded motor and the plinth had the new custom bearing so I just needed the copper platter and the new motor controller. Like I said in an earlier post, the nice thing about TTW turntables is that they are upgradable with their modular design.

The tone arm I am using is the new Graham Phantom II Supreme with a Benz LP S cartridge.
Peterayer, nothing happens when I lower the tonearm onto the
record. The speed stays steady at 33.3 or 45.0. The platter,
center weight and outer ring weigh about 93 lbs. Once the
platter gets up to speed which takes about 6 or 7 second and
locks in on the set speed the inertia of that much weight
turning is not effected by stylus drag.

The Walker turntable is the same way. Lloyds platter weighs
in at about 70 lbs and he has a unique motor and controller
system that once set to the desired speed is not effected by
stylus drag. Both systems are rock solid.

I don't understand why some people on this forum are so
obsessed with the Sutherland Timeline. It is just another
speed measuring device. Who says its the benchmark of rpm
measurement. The tachs we use at work cost 3x more than the
timeline and are sent out for calibration every 6 months. So
when it comes to accuracy I'll choose my device over the
Timeline.
Wilcan7, Graham provides a block that you place on your turntable spindle and then attach to the headshell of the tonearm and that is how you set the distance. Very easy to do especially with the TTW arm pod. You can place the pod anywhere you want and you will always have the correct distance for the tonearm. Graham also provides a fixture to align the cartridge. This thing is neat! You remove the wand and mount your cartridge. Then you place the wand in the fixture and set your stylus alignment. Very easy to do. Each fixture is made specific for each wand length, 12, 10 and 9 inch. The are not interchangeable. Each fixture is stamped with the wand length on it. Since I am using a 12 inch wand my fixture has a 12 stamped on it. It is very accurate. I have checked the alignment with the Feickert Protractor and it is dead on. The Feickert Universal Protractor would be my recommendation. It will work with any tonearm and cartridge combination. Nice tool.
Wilcan7, The Eliminator tonearm is a nice piece. You are getting a lot of performance for your money from that tonearm. I don't think that you will hear that much of a difference with the Graham. The Graham is a great sounding tonearm, well engineered and very easy to setup but I don't think it will be a significant change for you. The Graham will sound better but I don't think $5000 better.

As for the Feickert, $225 is a good price. You might be able to pick one up on Ebay, but they rarely come up for sale on the used market. Most people who buy it seem to keep it, I guess because it works so well with any tonearm and cartridge combination.
Wilcan7, That is the same reason why I purchased the Graham tonearm. A world class turntable like the Momentus V2 deserves a world class tonearm like the Graham. There is not much, if anything out there on the audio market that will beat this combination.
Banerjba, my first TTW turntable was a GEM. Very nice turntable. I liked the sound, the quality and the craftsmanship of the turntable so much that I decided to move up to their Momentus turntable. The nice thing about TTW is that their cutting edge technology does get intergraded into the lower end of the line. Personally I think that the new Eliminator Copper turntable that TTW just released is a steal at that price. The new copper platter and the new drive controller turn this entry level turntable into a high end, world class performer. As I stated earlier, the nice thing about TTW turntables is the modular design. You can buy an entry level turntable and then as you budget allows upgrade the table to the newest technology. You are not stuck with buying a completely new turntable as you are with other manufactures. I really think that this is a big advantage for the consumer. It is a good thing to have options as your enjoyment of vinyl grows over the years.

Oh, speakers are B&W 801's.
Madranker, it is pretty obvious that you don't understand the process for machining this copper platter. You don't start out with a 110 lbs block of copper and make a precision platter in a few hours. If you understood how a 5 axis CNC machine worked, you would not make foolish statements like that. I am sure that any turntable manufacturers out there, that machines their own parts can appreciate the amount of time needed to produce a precision piece like this.

If you like cheap mass produced turntables, there are plenty of them to choose from.
Sksos1, I can respect your opinion but it sounds like you got a very early version of the TTW turntable when they just started out in business. Many things have changed since then and it has all been for the better. Just a general statement about turntables. Most people do not know how to properly set up a table. They think they do but they don't. I have been setting up tables for 40 years and know how to get the best performance from them. Like Lloyd Walker says the magic is in the details.

Kiddman, the shill you smell is yourself. You have been a member since 2001 and have never made a purchase on Audiogon. You have zero feedback. Every thread you post in is filled with negativity. You don't like anything, so why should we believe anything you have to say here.
Wilcan, congratulations on your new turntable. It is a unique piece of engineering! To answer your question, my table is dead silent during quiet passages. I do not hear any groove noise. I think I know what your problem is. I am using a Benz LPS cartridge with a Sutherland Hubble preamp. The recommended gain setting for the cartridge is 60 db. This cartridge also has a very low output 0.34mV. I tried different gain settings 62, 64, 66 and 68db. Each time I increased the gain setting the sound got worse and a increase in groove noise. At 68db the records sounded so bad you would not want to listen to them.

This is where I think your problem is. I believe all of the cadenzas line has an output between .5v to .3v, depending on which cartridge you have. I think that by using the mixer you are increasing the gain output for the cartridge way beyond the limits of the cartridge and that is the reason for the noise during quiet passages. There are very few cartridges that have a recommended gain setting above 60db. I think that you need to use a phono preamp that will allow you to adjust gain output and load range so that you get the best sound from your cartridge.

Here is another problem I see with using the mixer. How are you setting your Load Impedance for your cartridge? This is another critical setting. I think that using the mixer is really hurting the sound of your system. If it was me, I would invest in a nice phono stage.
Wilcan I think the Avid Pulsus would be the best choice. I like the flexibility of the unit. The one thing most important is being able to tune your cartridge to get the best sound from it. I am sure you are finding out the the V2 Copper is a very revealing table and even very small changes in cartridge tracking force and VTA can make very big changes in the sound of your music.

I spent a few weeks trying different settings with my cartridge and tonearm and have come up with a combination that sound great with my V2 Copper table. The sound is amazing. Oh, one final note, I still have not had to adjust the platter speed, it is still rock steady at 33.33 rpm. As I said before, the Momentus V2 Copper is an fantastic piece of engineering!

LONG LIVE VINYL !!!!!
Wilcan, I still like the Avid Pulsus. I think it has a better build quality and is more versatile than the Lehmann.

I would give Sutherland another look. I am not sure if you know that they are a/c powered units now. I believe that they have gone away from battery power all together. They have updated their line and have a few different phono stages to choose from, something for every budget.
Wilcan I have never seen that device. The only thing that I know of like that is the Keith Monks Record Sweeper. I am not sure if they even make the device anymore. From the pictures I have seen of the sweeper I do not think it would work anyway, the shaft looks to be too short.

What I do is, after the record is properly cleaned, when I am going to play the record I use a DAK Carbon fiber brush to remove any dust or static that may be on the record. By doing this the record is static free and less likely to attract dust while playing. When the record is finish playing, the stylus is clean, no fuzz, dust or dirt.