TSM-MM not loud enough ...


While I have no problems with bass due to integration with Vandy 2Wq subs, the TSM-MM can not fill my 21'x16'x9' room. It has taken years to get my system as optimized (to my tastes) as it is now, other than lack of shear volume at times. Is there any viable option? Would the VSM fill my needs? I think Merlins are in my blood forever, but ...

Any input appreciated.
thom_s
I'd suggest specifying your amplification and what decibel level you require to fill your room. We all listen at different volumes.

I'd also suggest contacting Bobby P. directly.
go to the vsm mx, the best.
You cannot rightly expect high volume levels from such a small speaker. Certainly the VSM's will go about 6 db louder. Will this be enough for what you desire? Only you can be the judge of that.
TSM-MM?

What is a VSM?

Merlins?

I'm sorry, but the rest of us aren't as familiar with your system as you are. Your post is so devoid of details that it makes it impossible to make any sensible recommendations.
I have no idea how 'loud' you like your music, but I don't use half my 75 watts to fill my room and it's bigger than that...and I don't use a sub with mine.

Give Bobby a call. Maybe you have a gain issue..

WEEZ
Don't lock yourself into one brand based on sentiment; probably the worst reason to keep any component(s).

There are plenty of other choices that will fill your requirements. Undoubtedly better as well.
hi t,
the vsm can play about 8 or 9 db louder than the tsm (up to 111 db)and is 3 db more efficient. you have to be the judge of how loud you need to go to make you, happy.
your room is only 3024 feet in volume so there should be no issue for the vsm to fill it. but again t, no one really has any idea of how loud you really want to go.
i can understand how on some music the tsm cannot play loudly enough. it was designed to fill smaller volumes and "i" feel the same way at times in larger spaces.

the comment from the dealer above is absurd as he has no first hand knowledge of current merlin products. he has a personal issue with me.

regards,
bobby
Great Audiofeil, your going to start knocking Merlin products as well as your usual dealer bashing!
12inchwaffler,
I don't think you read my post carefully. Plenty of other choices refers to speakers capable of providing the necessary volume desired by the poster. It could be Merlin but it might not be as well. You don't think there are other brands equal to or better?

Don't be so trigger happy.
You wont go wrong with the VSM series.I had mine in a 13x21x8 room once and it was perfect.Good luck,Bob
To all concerned:
I have no personal issue with the gentleman as he states. He probably is a nice guy.

However, his unprofessional and unethical conduct here i.e. using these threads as his personal sales playground is the issue.

Thank you.
Oh, I get it. They are Merlin speakers.. Never heard of them.

Their web site says they can produce 104dB with 80 watts. With a couple of subs that's pretty loud. What amps are you using? What kind of music do you listen to?
Not to change the subject,but getting back to Merlins,I live in a condo and I talked to a girl in the elevator yesterday who asked if I had a piano in my place.No,just Merlins!Adieu,Bob
af,
There are plenty of other choices that will fill your requirements. "Undoubtedly better as well". this was posted by you, was it not?
how would you even know this since you have no first hand knowledge of my latest product or probably, none at all, for that matter?
preconception and assumption?
both unprofessional and not helpful to anyone except perhaps, you!

and my conduct is purely to stick up for my product and to give knowledge where it is needed. what i have found unprofessional is your conduct to be sure. first the two e-mails you sent me that border lined on rude when all i tried to do was to explain my side of this. and since you first intervention of a merlin string, months ago, i have watched you very closely. you are a classic example of "do what i say but not what i do"! there are many here that seem imperfect to you or motivated by something questionable, aren't there?.
i fail to see how a dealer has more place than a manufacturer posting here on agon. do you really want to compare the long list of things you sell to the two models i have refined for over 10 years and see who is complelled by what? my motivation is not money, that is obvious.
perhaps you should reconsider your position and stop this nonsense. do not read it if you do not like it!
and just for your information, you should see some of the e-mails i have received from others questioning your motives.
again, "you cannot make 100% of the people happy 100% of the time" and my favorite, "to thine own self be true."
regards,
bobby at merlin
af,
There are plenty of other choices that will fill your requirements. "Undoubtedly better as well". this was posted by you, was it not?
how would you even know this since you have no first hand knowledge of my latest product or probably, none at all, for that matter?
preconception and assumption?
both unprofessional and not helpful to anyone except perhaps, you!

and my conduct is purely to stick up for my product and to give knowledge where it is needed. what i have found unprofessional is your conduct to be sure. first the two e-mails you sent me that border lined on rude when all i tried to do was to explain my side of this. and since you first intervention of a merlin string, months ago, i have watched you very closely. you are a classic example of "do what i say but not what i do"! there are many here that seem imperfect to you or motivated by something questionable, aren't there?.
i fail to see how a dealer has more place than a manufacturer posting here on agon. do you really want to compare the long list of things you sell to the two models i have refined for over 10 years and see who is complelled by what? my motivation is not money, that is obvious.
perhaps you should reconsider your position and stop this nonsense. do not read it if you do not like it!
and just for your information, you should see some of the e-mails i have received from others questioning your motives.
again, "you cannot make 100% of the people happy 100% of the time" and my favorite, "to thine own self be true."
regards,
bobby at merlin
You say defending when in reality it is selling. Anyway, there is plenty of daily criticism/ discussion in these threads regarding competitive brands such as Tyler, Green Mountain, Coincident, Von Schweikert, Totem, and on and on.

Very very very seldom do any of their principles step in and sell, oops I meant “defend” the products. Why is that? They are probably secure in the quality/reputation of their product. Lack of interest? I doubt it; they pay attention. Perhaps professionalism has something to do with it. I don’t know.
In defending Bobby;---he is here and offers plenty of help for end users. Besides bobby and Steve McCormac;few other MFG's do that.---AND their product is their livelihood,so most of us understand.--OK,I'm not a book-shelf-on a- stand,kind of a guy and I would be looking at big floor standers to fill this 21x16 room.---But,then again; I don't do book-shelf speakers,even tho my room is smaller than this size. Back to "about-bobby"-- I think his closness with his owners gives him valuable input on what works with his speakers.
af,
being a manufacturer and moving in those circles, i think i know a few more than you do. i have spoken to many about dicussions in chatrooms and they have to me because they know i post. their opinions vary greatly. some have very large companies and are too busy running them, some with research, some with travel and some just let their dealers or customer service personal do the talking for them. they do not get involved unless a given situation is out of control. some and not many just make themselves totally inaccessable to all for one reason or another. and a few even commended me personally for standing up for my work. not once was it ever said to be unprofessional to stick up for your work or help consumers.
but to be fair to you, there may be some who do feel that way because nothing is an absolute. your opinion of what i am doing here has been stated many times and i do not agree with you. but be sure of one thing, there are many who post here that know my product and own it. i will continue to offer advice and to clear up problems and or misconceptions.
with you being a dealer, why do you post here and take many to task? i feel this is an example of "the kettle calling the pot black."
bobby at merlin
I guess I should have known better ... My fault for NOT saying I've already talked with Bobby, (this was a few months ago, I would doubt you remember, B, given the volume of call you probably receive) I was looking for specific info regarding other's experience that may have upgraded to a more efficient, "louder" speaker, that sounds just-like-a-Merlin. I have to assume that is probably the VSM series.

Sorry, but dB levels are not my thing, this is merely a subjective question. How much louder is also subjective so I'll have to say, a little more than a little louder, OK? If this is too ignorant of a statement, I apologize. The TSM is plenty loud enough ... most of the time, however I will give up quantity for quality. It just maybe I've given up a bit more quantity that I wanted to. One never knows until the component is in-hand.

"Sentiment" has nothing to so with it, I love the speaker, in my system, now more than ever, um ... "now." I'm interested in the power handling and SPL that the VSM may offer over the TSM from mid-bass up. I could/should have just taken Bobby's word for it, but I didn't buy the TSM originally for that reason either so ....

I don't see what the rest of my system has to do with it ... It's already too much power for the TSM, but the synergy, imho, is perfect. If anyone cares, see user Thom at AA for details.

Thanks

Sorry, but dB levels are not my thing, this is merely a subjective question. How much louder is also subjective so I'll have to say, a little more than a little louder, OK? If this is too ignorant of a statement, I apologize. The TSM is plenty loud enough ...

Thanks
Thom_s

No disrespect intended, but this is too vague to elicit helpful discussion, IMO. The quality of the advice you receive depends largely upon the quality of information you provide.
Bobby, I feel you have been helpful and pretty even handed in your comments. I enjoy hearing from you. In a general sense (i. e. - not directed at you)I feel capable of sifting through what gets posted on here and ID'ing what's exclusively self-serving and what isn't.
thanks to all that have commented here about trying to help thom and for supporting my efforts on agon.
thom, i know what you feel because i sense the same thing you do about the tsm in some situations and in larger rooms. when you have a chance give me a call and i will be happy to help you. i may also have some news that will make you feel better and be interesting as heck for you.
happy holidays to all,
bobby
there are always 'louder' choices. please reserve fighting for the wilson threads...thank you.
lol!
why not just stop this bickering completely and get back to the music, the sound and the discussion of gear?

happy holidays,
bobby