Tri-Planar Vll "SE Upgrade"


Contemplating  sending my Tri-Planar Vll back to Tri Mai for his "SE Upgrade". Essentially, same carbon fiber wand and internal silver wire and leads used in his 12" U12 arm. Anybody done the dirty deed?  If so, better, worse or pretty much the same. 

I've only seen one post on the subject and that person seemed more than happy.

Thanks to anyone who responds with personal experience.  No conjecture please. 
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I have thought of it but haven't acted. I'd love to know how it comes out if you do itl
Curious what cartridge you are using?


  • Transfiguration Proteus
I'm not unhappy with my TP though I've always felt the Discovery wiring was a weakness. Tried some of their "better" cables in the past and didn't care for them. 

I hate the idea of making two changes at the same time, wire and wand, so I've decided to just go with the silver wiring harness from cartridge clips to XLR's going into my Atma-Sphere MP-1's phono.

It would be interesting to go with a short pigtail and be able to experiment with other cables but I talked to Tri and he assured me that he's using good quality silver wire so why have another break in the chain.

Down the road, if I read several posts extolling the virtues of the new carbon fiber arm tube on the 10", then I might go for it. 

I'm guessing there are a few of us wondering about the "upgrades" so once I get my arm back and have a chance to listen, I'll report back with my "opinion".  

My cartridge is an XV-1s. These days it may not be as trendy as the newest, latest and greatest but it mates well with the TP and it gets the job done.

That's a terrific cartridge.

What is the rest of your system? How is your cartridge loaded? Gain?
Nice. I had the Tri-planer on a Fickert Blackbird table. Love their cartridges. I was using the Zesto Audio phono stage. Love that as well. 

Speaking about Triplanar weakness. My Triplanar VII ''refused'' to

track anything above 50 microns on my test record. Even carts which

easilly got 70 microns right (aka ''pure'') on my FR-64s were not

able to track more than 50 microns with the Triplanar. I know that

''induction'' from one experiment does not count as proof but

anybody can repeat the same  experiment and see for himself.

nandric

Speaking about Triplanar weakness. My Triplanar VII ''refused'' to track anything above 50 microns on my test record ...

That's odd - the arm sounds defective. Did you buy it used?


I've had the TriP for 7 years and I have never had a tracking problem with any record at any time.
Great arm, great company, TriPlaner, great cartridge, I want to sell you some great speakers......seriously. Wilson Benesch

Dear cleeds, I bought the Triplanar VII new in the USA and paid

500 euro import duty. As I understand 50 microns (horizontal and

vertical) should be sufficient for a ''normal record''. BTW I own

some MC's with pretty low compliance which are also not able

to track more than 50 micron on tracking ability test records.

But I was surprised that my FR-64 which is at least twice as heavy

can track 70-80 microns . However nobody made the same

experiment in order to check my finding but persist in the well

known ''denial strategy''. I stated that my sample was not able

to track more than 50 micron with any of my MC carts and asked

others to try the same experiment . Anybody who owns test

records with tracking capabilty test can do this in 5 minutes time.

If the results are different  than my then I will know that my

sample is possible defective.

Addition, I assume that Raul owns just one test record which

contains those Tchaikovsky's cannon shots ? If an cart/tonearm

combo is not able to track them then such combo's are dismissed.

But to track those cannons at least 70 microns tracking capability

is needed. That is why he recommends high compliance carts

of even the MC ''nature''. Say the Ortofon MC 2000 which can

do this jobe but is, alas, impossible to use because of its output:

0,05mV (grin).

 

nandric

... I bought the Triplanar VII new in the USA ...

Your arm sounds defective. If you purchased it new, it's surely covered under warranty. It should be returned to your dealer for service or replacement.

Dear cleeds, ''Your arm sounds defective'' is a curious statement.

I am not aware that you listened to my arm. But if you performed

tracking ability test and your Triplanar got more than 50 microns

''pure'' I will need to agree that my Triplanar is defective.

Elinor, ''any record'' should imply also ''test records''. But test

records with ''tracking capability'' are made in order to show by

which value (aka ''microns'') the arm /cart combo will start to

mistrack. It is very curious that nobody is willing to try the same

experiment which is very simple to repeat. Fear?

nandric03-25-2017 12:13pm

Dear cleeds, ''Your arm sounds defective'' is a curious statement. I am not aware that you listened to my arm. But if you performed tracking ability test and your Triplanar got more than 50 microns ''pure'' I will need to agree that my Triplanar is defective.

What you've described sounds like your arm is defective, although it could also be a setup problem. I don't know why you think that's "curious." Why you should think that the way my pickup arm performs has any relationship to whether your arm is defective or not is quite curious, however.

I don't own a Triplanar, btw. But you should be getting better performance from your arm than what you relate here. It's apparently under warranty - why not take advantage of that??


Dear cleeds, This is called ''testimonium paupertatis''  in old

good latin. You don't even own the Triplanar but you pretend

to know better than those who know what they are talking about.

I assume that this is the influence of the Mexican. In empirical

science no proof would be even considered without provision of

repertory and controlable experiments. So I am  still waiting for

someone who checked my statement not by speculation but by

testing his Triplanar with tracking ability test. What is curious is

the fact that I need to wait so long.

What test record are you using ?  I have the latest 12" U version can perform the test also if you let me know.

Good Listening



Peter
pbnaudio, IMAGE HIFI and Die dhfi Schallplatte 2 .
nandric

This is called ''testimonium paupertatis''  in old good latin. You don't even own the Triplanar but you pretend to know better than those who know what they are talking about. I assume that this is the influence of the Mexican. In empirical science no proof would be even considered without provision of repertory and controlable experiments. So I am  still waiting for someone who checked my statement not by speculation but by testing his Triplanar with tracking ability test. What is curious isthe fact that I need to wait so long.

Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. I have extensive experience with the Triplanar arm. That I don't happen to personally own one now is irrelevant.

I am not sure what you mean about "influence of the Mexican." Nationality has nothing to do with this. It sounds like you suffer prejudice.

Nandric, you're the one with the problem pickup arm. What's curious is that you prefer to complain about it, rather than to return it to the dealer or manufacturer for evaluation. Apparently, your preference is to suffer noisily. So I guess you're a very happy guy.


Nandric I have no fear of trying a test record but honestly if I have a tonearm that tracks every record I own without issue with the exception of records I know to be imperfect so why would I need to resort to a test? This seems to be just another whacky thread which has driven me away from Audiogon forums. Signing off.


Elinor, By each cart manufacturer provide specifications among

which recommended VTF and tracking ability expressed in microns.

Say my Benz LP S claims 80 microns by 2g. My Ortofon Windfeld

even 100 microns with  2,6g. On the other side my Ikeda 9 c does

not claim anything but can't track more than 50 microns. As I wrote

in my previous post 50 microns is sufficient for ''normal records''.

But there are records which  are more demanding like those

Tchaikovski's cannon shots. Raul use this record to judge carts.

The most cart/tonearms combos will skip the third shot. The same

will happen with cart/tonearm combos by 60 microns if the combo

is not able to track more than 50 microns. I see that nobody care

to test his own combos but trust their hearing or intuition. Well I

check all my (new) carts with my test records first. That is before

listening to them. I was not able to confirm Windfeld but well

LPS . To be more specific I never got 100 microns ''pure'' nor

90 microns but well 80 microns with 2 g by LPS. I do those

tests with my FR-64 because this arm has removable headshell

such that changing carts is much more easy then by Triplanar

and other tonearms with fast headshells. So I was very much

surprised when my Triplanar ''refused'' to track 60 microns and

skipped the groove. This btw does no imply that the arm is defective

because there are many low complience carts wich can't track

more than 50 microns. But if whatever cart can track, say 70

microns , with my FR-64 but the same cart is not able to track

70 microns on my Triplanar I was curious to know why. That is

why I posted my specific question. To my surprise nobody

try the same experiment but invented all kinds of answers which

are irrelevant for my question.

To my surprise nobody

try the same experiment but invented all kinds of answers which

are irrelevant for my question.

@nandric, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. ’Nobody’ is incorrectly used in your posts so far. ’Some people’ might be a lot more accurate as I suspect that not everyone who has a Triplanar has seen this thread!!

I don’t have any of the LPs to which you refer (having heard the 1812 far too many times I hope to never hear it again in my lifetime; I count myself amongst the privileged fortunate who have not heard the 1812 for over 2 decades and I’m going for a third). But I do have an LP mastering lathe and so far no matter the test tones we’ve cut the Triplanar has played them all without complaint and for that matter, every LP I’ve had except for one:

That LP has a lot of bass on it and is a recent pop recording. Now I’m used to playing pop recordings with quite a lot of bass, so I was upset that this particular LP was having troubles (although the usual signs of mistracking were not showing up). So I took it to the studio and studied the grooves under the microscope. Its quite obvious that the LP was overcut. That can cause distortion so I have discounted this particular title as not being a contender.

The way you’re making it sound is that there are possibly two titles in the world that the Triplanar won’t play. I have only about 8000 titles in my library so its highly likely that I won’t run into these titles (and if one of those involves the 1812 then we’re down to one) given how much music there is. These LPs don’t seem to be in the US for starters- so I would not jump to the conclusions as you appear to be doing! Do you know of a source for this test LP? I’d be happy to give it a shot as long its not cannon shots :) !

Atmasphre, I don't belive that I need lessons about the use of

quantifiers. I addressed the participants in this thread so my quantor 

''nobody'' does not include the whole universe but only members who

reacted to my post. You are also included because you also deed

not answer my question. My question was if the Triplanar can track

more then 50 microns on tracking ability test records. Among your

4000 records there should be some of those? In my answer to

pbnaudio I mentioned the test records which I used. BTW I deed

not say a single word about my Triplanar sound.  I only stated to

be surprised that MY Triplanar ''refused'' to track ''anything''

(aka ''any of my carts'') above 50 microns. So carts which can

track 80 microns with my FR-64 skiped out the groove by 60

microns on the Triplanar. My advice to you is to read careful

what other have written and not put your own inventions instead.

Well nobody (in this thread atmasphere) seem to think that those

tracking ability test are of any importance. But some of the members

concluded  that my Triplanar is defective. Why? Because my sample

 is not able to track more than 50 microns? But I own  MC carts

which also can't track more than 50 microns. However nobody (in

general atmasphere) would proclaim such carts as defective. 

Then, regarding manufacturers , why should they publish the tracking

ability values in their specs if those are of no importance at all?

I don't belive that I need lessons about the use of

quantifiers. I addressed the participants in this thread so my quantor

''nobody'' does not include the whole universe but only members who

reacted to my post. You are also included because you also deed

not answer my question. My question was if the Triplanar can track

more then 50 microns on tracking ability test records. Among your

4000 records there should be some of those?

We're using English on this website, so despite your belief it was something that needed correction. Deal.

I don't own any test records. Not a one. I listen to music, not audiophile records. Just music.

Well nobody (in this thread atmasphere) seem to think that those

tracking ability test are of any importance.

This statement is outright false and I find it a bit offensive as I suspect others here do as well.

What's really going on in my case is I just don't believe you. I am happy though to obtain the LP but its not available in the US.

My gosh atmasphere does not believe me! Should I kill myself?

The problem however is to discover what he does not believe.

I would assume that some of my statements are the subject of 

his disbelief but in order to make such statement about statements

(aka ''meta statement'') one need to own at least one of those

damn test records which contain tracking ability test. But he is 

even proud to mention that among  his 4000 records there is no

single test record whatever.  I am not  entitled to judge his English

 but what he  has to say make no sense. The only way to check

my statement about tracking ability of Triplanar is to test the

''precious''. I am sorry to hear that there are no test records

available  in the USA. Alas I don't believe this atmasphere .