Transformer based passives vs passive stepladder


Although I have a very well reviewed preamplifiers, I have become intrigued with passive approach to gain control. What caught my attention the most is the uber expensive Audio Consulting Silver Rock transformer passives. But then, I also see other companies making passive stepladder or simple passive volume attenuation( anywhere from $199-1000.)

Some of the transformer based attenuators seem to be Audio Euphoria, as well as the DIY or completely built Tjango, and the now discontinued Bent Audio unit.

What gives? Is all that has been said true about transformer based attenuation? Has anyone heard the Silver Rock?

Paul K
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I don't know if what I am about to say will answer your question or help you, but I am in the same boat you are right now. I am looking at and trying out a lot of passive devices. I have looked at the following so far:

Luminous
Goldpoint
Welborne Labs
EVS
Endler

Most of the above are resistor based with the last two being nude attenuators that you plug into your amp inputs. So it is good for a single source, or you can plug your preamp into them to attenuate the gain on it (which is what I am doing now, although my DAC sounded very nice through both attenuators). I have not yet tried the Goldpoint or Luminous and based on what I am hearing now from the nude attenuators I may not. While the passive attenuators I have tried to date are very transparent, they are very much dependent on the type of attenuator and resistor being used. System matching with the right resistor is important, which is less the case with a transformer based passive. The EVS uses a 10k Vishay and the Endler a 4k Yageo. Both, while transparent, impart a signature by virtue of the choice of resistor being utilized. The EVS are smoother, while the Endler are bit brighter (perhaps forward is a better choice). Each are very good attenuators. From what I have researched about Goldpoint, the ladder type attenuators are best, but that is more practical in a box versus nude version.

The Welborne Labs unit is interesting in that it is a remote controlled stepped attenuator. I thought about getting it, but as you will see below I was convinced of another option.

I have also looked at:

Space Tech Lab
K&K
Electra-Print

These are transformer based designs. I tested the Electra-Print and it did not work in my system. This unit operates like a step-up and comes in different ratios. For whatever reason they sent me a unit with a 1:8 ratio versus what should have been a 1:1 ratio. It was just too hot on the volume control with my DAC. I suppose I could have gotten them to send me a 1:1 version, but after more research and response to my discussion thread (on the Goldpoint), I decided to buy the K&K, which is a custom built model. I already use their ste-up for my phono stage, so I'm familiar with Kevin Carter's work. Also, the design of this passive uses the same S&B transformers as the Bent (which I like and which I hear may be re-introduced shortly). The model I am getting will have dual volume and selector switches (Seiden from Japan). However, Space Tech Labs could get a shot if the K&K does not work out. I was very impressed with Albert.

From what I have heard so far I like the passive approach, especially since I have a high sensitivity and high gain amp. I don't need all the extra gain from a preamp. What is left to figure out is if the sound is comparable to an active linestage. I'm thinking it can be, but like you I don't exactly know yet. I'll post my thoughts when I get the K&K.
Atmasphere - so are you saying that EVS and Endler, by virtue of the fact they are passive attenuators at the input of the amplifier, are immune from artifact associated with other passives as a result of eliminating the IC?

Bear in mind I love my active linestage which is a Joule Electra LA-100 MkIII. I'm just trying to rid myself of the issue where there is too much gain in the system. With my analog set-up the Joule, my amp, and phonostage provide ample gain and I have a lot of flexibility on the volume control. The digital set-up is a bit different. The passive approach here seems to be necessary to get what I need.

I do have one other option. Perhaps sending the unit back to Joule and having them reduce the gain on the CD output could be a solution. This would eliminate the need for a passive attenuator at the amp input.
Paul K - Funny, the Joule uses OA2 tubes as well, along with a pair of 6EM7 in the power supply. The signal path has a 5751 and 6350 for the mu follower. It is a pretty low gain preamp, but my amp is 30db and .8V sensitivity. I also have no issue with the phono preamp. Perhaps the EVS is the best solution for me at the moment, but I'm pretty curious at what my custom K&K will do.

The Silver Rock passives look nice, but they're out of my price range.