Tracking error or ??


I was listening to my Lyra Kleos last night and on one of the most dynamic records that i own ( and best sounding) an Analogue Production Sonny Rollins Way out West LP; I noticed on the second side, which is very dynamic and has some serious high frequency extension, that there seemed to be a little distortion (or over loading) that i suspect is coming from the cartridge. The Kleos is tracking at the recommended 1.8 grams and my arm is usually pretty immune to miss-tracking ( as it uses a liquid bearing). Anyone else experience the same kind of thing with the Lyra's? I wonder if a higher tracking weight might be the answer, even though Lyra recommends an exact 1.8 grams?? 
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Dear @daveyf  : ""   although selecting an arm that works better and works on my LP12 is the question. ""

You repeat that around 3 times in your thread, so you are merried with the LP12 till you die.

I don't know why and it's up to you but again I want to tell you  that you have look for a monk that can give you the LP12 divorce and marry with the Rega RP 10 that comes with a first rate tonearm and as I said in one of my posts to you in this thread:  the humble Rega RP10 and tonearm that was compared against the SAT XD-1 TT with SAT tonearm and top rated cartridges and guess what not only made a extremely good job but that 180+K SAT combination did not " kills " the 6K Rega RP10.

You don't need other tonearm the Rega IS AN EXCELLENT TONEARM AND AT LEAST COMPETES AGAINST THE sat ONE.

R.
Dear @daveyf : "" Maybe it would be better to go to another table that allows for far superior arms to be mounted..."""

That could be your best and common sense alternative and you have down thre the Rega RP10 that comes with an excellent tonearm.

In the STHP Fremer review of the SAT XD-1 TT with SAT tonearm ( that set you back ober 180K when the Rega goes for around 6K. ) you can read this:

"" The XD1 shares some sonic characteristics with Rega’s revolutionary RP10 turntable: ultrafast, clean transients throughout the audible frequency range; tight, fast bass; revealing midrange transparency; and overall sonic stability and focus. ""

@no_regrets I really respect your subjective opinion but exist to many facts/evidences not only in this thread but in several threads where the subject was analized in deep and those facts/objective ( not what you or me or asome one else likes. ) say that unipivots tonearms is the worst kind of design for any cartridge. Forgeret what you like because this is not the issue.

Now every one has its own level of priorities MUSIC/sound system quality reproduction. Some of us are way demanding that other gentlemans.

R.
Dear @daveyf  : """  I have heard a very small amount of distortion on a few other highly dynamic and highly modulated tracks. Always in the right channel, which would certainly seem to indicate that AS is an issue. """

I own the Kleos and is really good tracker with and with out A/S. Its compliance is almost high compliance at around 18cu-19cu. It rides with out true problem the whole Telarc 1812.

So if the Kleos is in good operation condition specially at the stylus tip and suspension then the problem is else where and could be the tonearm and TT. The LP it's not due that you experienced that trouble in other LPs.

Btw, the Aro is an unipivot and not a good tonearm for any cartridge. Please read again what mijos posted. 
Now, if you are in love with this Naim is up to you.

R.
Dear @daveyf  : "     isn't the Kuzma 4 point still basically a uni pivot design? "


Not really, this is what you can read in the Kuzma site


"""  Differs from other tonearms by introducing several new and unique features. The new zero-play bearing is configured on 4 points. The 4POINT tonearm has an effective length of 280mm (11-inch), a very precise VTA adjustment facility and fits our standard mount with a 212mm   pivot-to-spindle distance. The heart of this new design is the unique 4-point bearing. Two points (which are similar to a uni-pivot bearing) allow and control vertical movements of the tonearm. The other set of two pointed bearings allow and control horizontal (lateral) movements of the tonearm. All four points of the bearing have minimal friction and zero-play in all planes of movement, thus ensuring that the cartridge platform and the cartridge itself follow the grooves of an LP with extremely low friction and minimal vibrations. """

R.
Dear @daveyf  : ""   Lyra recommends an exact 1.8 grams  ""

Not really, JC spec is exactly 1.72 grs. :


https://lyraanalog.com/kleos.html


   I think that you need to reset/check the overall cartridge/tonearms set up along the VTF spec, maximum VTF is 1.75 grms.

Btw, I can't know the effect over time in the cartridge suspension using 1.8 instead 1.72 . It could be a good idea to send an email to JC.


Regards and enjopy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.