Top 5 Reaons to NOT BUY A TURNTABLE.

What are your thoughts? 

That’s totally fine. The video is made for the guys who try to make excuse for themselves or for youngsters who looking for better SQ but not able to handle simple handy and brain work and that’s totally fine… less people in the sector - chipper the records. :)

No, Magots.

I sure enjoy watching Steve's (and many other YouTube reviewers) videos a lot more than reading certain posts on Agon forums. I enjoy reading most posts, though. 

6. You’re too old and out of shape to get up and turn the record over after Side 1.
7. Your wife has threatened to see a divorce lawyer if you buy one more piece of audio equipment.
8. The gas bill is overdue, and that didn’t work out well last winter when, instead of paying the gas bill, you purchased a huge tube amp that barely heated one room.
9. You’re up to your ears in audio equipment down in your basement. There is no more room to put anything. To accommodate the new turntable, you’ll either have to rent storage space, or sell something. Making a decision like that could paralyze you for a month.
10. If you buy a new turntable, you’ll have to get into yet another discussion about “analog vs. digital” with your “friends” on the Audiogon Forum, and you would rather eat broken glass. 

Many older audiophiles still have their vinyl and CDs and have been through everything Steve talks about. Many younger audiophiles have been streaming for years and are just getting into vinyl. So good for them. One of my good friends (who's 18) is really into vinyl and loves shopping for it. I love seeing his reaction when he buys some classic vinyl. Our next goal is to update his system. 

nnicola, none of the above. I have plenty of room, I can buy whatever I please, I'm buried in records so I need to be able to play them and the very best recordings I have are digital. The turntable is tradition, its involving in a way that digital is not and what the hell am I going to do with all these records. There is so much terrific music here that needs to be played. I love turntables like I love old sports cars. Electric is going to take over and there will be some incredible cars, faster than anything an internal combustion engine could dream of but, the soul that I have been craving all my life will be missing. Old love affairs die hard.

A pain in the arse.

I love the digital-only consumers. More vinyl for me.

The OP left out another reason:  The music lover was an armory specialist in the SEALS and refused to use earplugs.

The recording industry is digital and even tapes are converted to digital.

If you only listen to recordings made on tape and pressed before going digital, that's terrific. If you listen to modern recordings or modern pressings, you're deluding yourself.

@pedroeb yet you stream your digital content, upload, download, or play a CD and run that signal through a Digital to ANALOG converter and push that signal to your amp. So what is your point? 
Analog to Digital to Analog. 
Talk about delusional…. 

I love the sound of Vinyl but not the care and feeding it requires. I used to rip Vinyl and listen through my PC/DAC/Music Server to this day. Very rarely did I break out a disc to spin. I used to do a first play onto cassette before the digital age saved me so much trouble.

Screw Vinyl and the greedy flippers that buy and sell it for profit. I sold my collection many years ago and have never looked back.

I have friends with excellent Vinyl rigs and collections. So I go to their places when I want to hear some LP’s.

The Analog Kid is now a Digital Man !

Man, what is with the obsession with the so called crackle and pop? I have very little of it, and even when it exists, it is not bothersome, as the music sounds great through a great analog set up. I will say it, if you are not into records, you are missing out...such a shame. Even my freakin thrift store finds sound awesome! All nice and cleaned up with my record dr V. You are also missing out if you are not into cassettes and Cassette decks...not the cheap A$$ ones, the nice 3 head Naks and Awai decks of the day. People crap all over cassettes because they never heard them on a great deck. Look at John Devore’s videos....he’s got some nice decks....I'm sorry, but some people are screwy...

thanx to CEDAR NR, i can sorta enjoy the sound of vinyl at least in real time. much of my music is restored dubs of LPs. i have always been extra-sensitive to surface noise, wow from warps, inner groove distortion, subtle mistracking damage from previous owners of records i have. lordy i'd love to have me one of those ELP machines. 

Dear @jerryg123 :  Don't buy it if you don't own between 500-1000 LPs and even that don't buy it if you don't have a wealthy pocket to really enjoy MUSIC enjoy those LPs and even that do not buy it if you don't have high knowledge and skills levels to make your self  overall cartridges/TT/tonearms/Pono stage set up and finally do not buy a TT if you have not enough patience to make that that analog rig be as good experience of listen MUSIC as the best digital set ups that today no matters what is a " little " superior to the analog experiences other than live MUSIC.


Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

@rauliruegas Wish I could understand what you are trying to convey.
Thinking you like the digital domain as I too enjoy it but prefer analog/vinyl. Yes I have a great analog front end and a collection going back to when I was 10.

Dude you have like 3 turntables in your system. Bit of hypocrisy.

So enjoy your Analog to Digital and back to Analog.You should read what Nelson Pass has to say about distortion in audio.
Here I found this video so you do not have to read. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Prz6IpHlSg
Enjoy the music and DISTORTION IS GOOD.

MC... Being a TEKTON Owner I USED to respect you...You are off the rails.

1. Don’t want to see an old guy with a terrible haircut
2. Don’t want to see an old guy with a terrible haircut make stupid statements
3. Don’t want to waste my time watching an old guy with a terrible haircut making stupid statements.

But you're all an old guys :) 

Dear @jerryg123 : Does not exist that " hypocrisy " you named, I love MUSIC and I like to listen my over 6K LPs in my analog rig but I'm not so stupid to not enjoy the digiotal superior medium.

""  So enjoy your Analog to Digital and back to Analog... "

not really, your ears at the end has an ADC for your brain can process and you can " understand "  the LP recorded MUSIC. Yes, you listen not in analog but digital:


"""  With the hair cells, we come to the end of the audio path inside the ear. Hair cells are neurons, and the purpose of the outer hair cells is to convert the mechanical vibrations that come from their cilia into nerve signals. Such signals are binary (all or nothing), and seem to be completely decorrelated from the analogue signals to which they correspond. In other words, they're digital signals, and the inner hair cells are analogue‑to‑digital converters.  """

All the human been cells including the neurones in the brain are comunicated in between through neuro-transmitters using mainly electric impulses after bio-quimic proccess ( not continuous but impulse after impulse after impulse... ). In reality the binary comunication human been system is really complex as it complex that scientifics know for sure not even the 20% of the brain full operational status.

 That ADC named here is a high-ligth of this link:

https://www.soundonsound.com/sound-advice/how-ear-works#top

So enjoy digital.

R.

And yet here we are. For the most part it has been enjoyable.

@rauliruegas I do enjoy Digital listened all day today.

Again read my earlier  comment I enjoy streams, cd, but analog the most.

Form me it is about the music not the freaking gear. As a musician it always has been.

have a wonderful rest of your day.

The real top 5 reasons: 

1. Chronic diarrhea 
2. You live in a van down by the river 
3. You don’t believe in hand washing 
4. Big round disks make you ill 
5. If you play a record backwards, demons will enter your soul 

Seriously, it’s just a personal (and costly) choice. Nobody should be criticized one way or the other. I spent a lot on a vinyl set up and I don’t use it much because I’ve found that my time is so limited and streaming is so much easier. I wish I had more time.  It’s a luxury and lost art, but not a convenient one. Everyone has good points. 

Top five reasons not to read Miller's posts
5.  Rude to everyone.
4.  Spends too much on tweaks.
3.  Opinionated and dogmatic.
2.   Boing boing  - say no more.
1.   Cannot spell 'weird'.

Right on Audioguy.
I don't get snap crackle and pop either.
In fact rarely any surface noise that can be heard against the programme.
I have a wet clean vacuum system cleaner, Nitty Gritty Mini-Pro.  I only clean discs that are noisy.  So far I have cleaned less 150 of 3500 pieces - I know, I put on a new Nagaoka inner on all cleaned LPs and there are 50 in each pack

Do these guys eat pizza off their records?  The big 12 inch ones.
Or take them to bed with them when they are with the wife?

5 top stupid things people do with LPs anyone?

There are three kinds of audiophile:
1.  Fetishistic cleaners who clean their new LPs with three different systems.
2.   Those who eat off 'em.
3.   Normal

Everyone should buy a USB turntable and have the worst of both worlds.

My inlaws are into vinyl for the nostalgia.  I don't get it.

I'm not getting "It takes a lot of time". 

3-4 albums 2-3 hours. 5 minutes to change and flip the albums. 10 seconds to give them a quick wipe and que per side?

Can you guys see your toes?

There is a cork in a bottle I suppose that's a problem too. :-)

LPs sound BAD and you have a WIFE? Man have you guy/girls got your stuff all backwards..

Just sayin'

@ebm yet here you are,

Very stupid thread DUDE!!

I enjoy the entire process .  The enjoyment of the sound reproduced by the medium is personal,  as is the cost.

Enjoy your music and gear,

Jose

@jg2077 I agree. I also enjoy my digital components but prefer the analog section more.

@ebm that may be but he has an audience…

Would someone buy him a new shirt. 

Dear @jerryg123 : ""  enjoy my digital components but prefer the analog section more. """

That's your privilege and nothing to argue against it.

Now, your targets are different from the listen targets of any one else. 

You prefer the " analog section " and what this really means? only that you like a medium that's not to close/truer to the recording a medium that, like it or not, developed way higher any kind of distortions everywhere.

 I love my " analog section " too but my target is to stay nearer/truer to the recording with out any explanation today digital medium is the only medium that can achieve my target and that target says that if you are truer to the recording/nearer to then you are nearer to the live MUSIC too.

Every move/action in my room system is for both mediums ( no matters what ) been as nearer to the recording as its own limitations can permit it.

That you be a musician does not helps to stay truer to the recording and you confirmed when posted : " prefer the analog section ". Period.

R.

Good clock cables.  I'm totally serious. 

Acc to Caelin Gabriel and very recently, me, all things being equal, it's good clock cables that reduce jitter enough to allow digital systems to sound as good as analog.  Without all that baggage.

I guess Guttenberg's hair and shirts offend folks here because you all have crewcuts and wear preppie clothing...these are stylistic choices, they are not substantive...
I agree with prof, but then again, I am one. And I am offended by the audiophiliac's twisting boomer song lyrics to use as click bait. 
Too much garbage on youtube, everyone there seems to be desperate to continue the monetization of their "channels."

@rauliruegas

That's your privilege and nothing to argue against it.

Then why are you?

You prefer the " analog section " and what this really means? only that you like a medium that's not to close/truer to the recording a medium that, like it or not, developed way higher any kind of distortions everywhere.

No this means I prefer it period.

   

I love my " analog section " too but my target is to stay nearer/truer to the recording with out any explanation today digital medium is the only medium that can achieve my target and that target says that if you are truer to the recording/nearer to then you are nearer to the live MUSIC too.

Every move/action in my room system is for both mediums ( no matters what ) been as nearer to the recording as its own limitations can permit it.

And that is good for you Raul. All I did is post a video.

That you be a musician does not helps to stay truer to the recording and you confirmed when posted : " prefer the analog section ". Period. 

No you are wrong. When we preform it is analog. When we have had the privilege to record and could afford the studio time it was laid to tape and is analog.

You like what you like and I will do as I do. I am not here to persuade you I simply posted a funny video.

Have a good day.

Jerry Gage.

I first dropped a needle on "Peter and the Wolf" at the age of six on my father's Rec-O- Kut turntable, with a Sherwood mono amp and 15" Altec Lansing speaker. I remember it clearly- the rich, sonorous voice emanating from the system. That was 60 years ago. If you can't hear, feel, or experience the OBVIOUS superiority of vinyl over digital, it's your deficiency- not vinyl's.

Right now, I cannot understand why anyone would use a turn table with today's streaming technologies.  I must admit the $20,000 turn tables are gorgeous.  But tracking a record with a needle produces a lot of noise.  Also, digital amplifiers like a Luxman are really great sounding.

My own theory about the vinyl experience is that the physical vibrations mined by a stylus mimics the aural mechanism of the ear, so that there is a subtle resonance at play between the two systems. The ear's bones and tympanic membrane operate very much like a cartridge. In defense of Guttenberg, he goes on to say how much vinyl means to him, but if someone discouraged me from "getting into vinyl" for practical reasons, I would ignore that. I suspect that Guttenberg sees the writing on the wall of youngsters abandoning him, so he may just be pandering to an audience still wet around the ears.

Three reasons not to buy a turntable: 
snap
crackle
pop

Just listening should help people understand the appeal of vinyl and why so many think it is superior to digital at a very fundamental level. Most of the appeal of digital has little to do with sonics.

Very sensible. Steve usually brings a healthy measure of practicality to his videos. I’ve got a nice vinyl collection and setup, and enjoy the whole LP experience, but hey, I’m nearly 70. I also choose to pay for newspaper home delivery, but if you prefer to read online I’m good with that. Just as long as you’re participating one way or the other!

Sounds like someone is having dihedra of the brain.

@jfuquay::
  It's a tad difficult to do the crossword puzzle with a pen online, n'est-ce pas?

I liked the video and think it is right on the money on all points. I feel sorry for him that he listens to such a small percentage of his collection. They are wasting space. I started buying records 40+ years ago, and listen to 90%+ of them at least 3-4 times a year.  When CDs came out, they sounded like crap. Digital has gotten a lot better. Because of my record collection, I have continued to strategically improve the analogue set up. Stopped buying CDs once records started getting made again. Disconnected the CD player about 15 years ago, and now just listen in the car, garage and downloaded them to my iPhone. 

I agree with the one poster who detests record scalpers (ticket scalpers too). 

If I had no music and was starting out as an audiophile with limited budget like I did in college, I am sure that I would stream to the best of its ability. It is a pain trying to find things on vinyl, although it is getting better. I have no problem with the hipsters getting into vinyl because they think it's cool. If they help build the market, vinyl will be kept alive, unlike CDs which are dying off. It's hard for someone to say CDs are better than streaming, although I am sure there are a few SACD exceptions where the full file isn't streamed and it sounds better.