to biwire or not?


Not going into detail about the type equipment being used,or not used.just would like just a general opinion on if to biwire or just regular wiring to speakers?thank you.
john421
Not giving much to go on.
First you have to have speakers which can be biwired.
Then do you want to spend twice the money for speaker cables for biwired?

The only answer is can you hear an inmprovement with biwiring?
I biwire with reasonably cheap wires.
I am parallel wired which sounds better than my previous biwired configuration for mysterious reasons. It's not much different. But the upper and lower range of my speakers are strapped with quality jumpers. And I have cable running running from amp to upper range and to lower range--two sets of cable from the amp. I was advised to use this configuration by Paul Speltz (anticables), and it sounds significantly better than biwire.
You should Google this. It is a valid question but one that has been asked and answered many, many times. There is a division of opinion (and I have mine) but, so far, one side has not been able to win over the other.

Kal (who believes it is worthless)
Maybe instead of bi-wiring you might consider single wire and then jumper cables versus the plate connectors - personally I think it's the better option
What does the speaker mfg. recommend?
bi wired worked great for me. a very noticeable difference imho. however...tried the same on a friends system and we didn't get the same results....it sounded the same.

i guess it depends =)

give it a try and hear for yourself.
Yes,the speakers are bi wired.paradigm monitors.
Not a fan of bi-wire. Single to the HF, jump to the LF as per Tannoy and various cable makers.
I am parallel wired which sounds better than my previous biwired configuration for mysterious reasons. It's not much different. But the upper and lower range of my speakers are strapped with quality jumpers. And I have cable running running from amp to upper range and to lower range--two sets of cable from the amp. I was advised to use this configuration by Paul Speltz (anticables), and it sounds significantly better than biwire. Wow. And in what way is this any different from simply using a bigger gauge wire? I am not much swayed by mysteries.
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I am parallel wired which sounds better than my previous biwired configuration for mysterious reasons. It's not much different. But the upper and lower range of my speakers are strapped with quality jumpers. And I have cable running running from amp to upper range and to lower range--two sets of cable from the amp. I was advised to use this configuration by Paul Speltz (anticables), and it sounds significantly better than biwire.
Wow. And in what way is this any different from simply using a bigger gauge wire? I am not much swayed by mysteries.
Bi-wire cables can be more cost effective then using premium jumper cables. Unless I already had single cable wires I would avoid using jumpers.
What would be a good choice for jumpers at a reasonable price?
Did you really think you were going to get an answer that would settle this for you? This question has been asked and replied to all over the net. YMMV.
KR4,

I actually had a similar experience with a parallel wire trick, only (after reading about it) I just shorted the negative posts on each speaker. Where my biwire experiences were consistently bad with a lack of driver coherence, with the shorted posts the sound was much more fluid with the drivers blending well. I didn't keep it this way because it was overly smooth. A large difference to my ear.
If you have Bi-Wireable speakers, then Bi-Wire them. If the designer has incorporated the speaker for it, I would go with the designer's wishes.
Agree the negatives wired together at the speaker posts improves timing. Just a little wire across the negative speaker terminals.
If you have Bi-Wireable speakers, then Bi-Wire them. If the designer has incorporated the speaker for it, I would go with the designer's wishes.
I know of some speakers which have bi-wire facility but which, I was told by the manufacturer, were included to placate dealers (who want to sell more cables) and some users (who like to fiddle). Not all, of course. ;-)

Kal
Having followed many prior threads that have addressed this question, I can say unequivocally that a clear consensus has emerged. That consensus can be stated as follows:

It may or may not make a difference. If it makes a difference, it may or may not be for the better.

Regards,

-- Al :-)
It depends on how the filters are connected (or done) inside.
Some speakers are built so they benefit from biwire/ biamping and some are not. I would ask manufacturer/ designer before buying an expensive biwire cable. Some manufacturers stopped to make biwire as most customers didn't do it (i was told asking questions similar to yours). So, check up with those who knows the construction.
thanks for all the advice.just trying to get the best music possable!
"If you have Bi-Wireable speakers, then Bi-Wire them. If the designer has incorporated the speaker for it, I would go with the designer's wishes."

My spkrs allow for TRI-Wiring! And I do. Why? Because I can!;)
"My spkrs allow for TRI-Wiring! And I do. Why? Because I can!;)"

Best reason I have heard so far.

Kal
I sold a pair of Linn Majik 140's that could be single, bi, tri, or quad wired and/or amped. I had them bi-wired with Morrow SP3's. I sold the speakers and bought a pair of Lipinski 707's and bi-wired them. Before I sold the Linns I put a pair of single wire Kimber Kable 4 TC's on them, and I'm currently running the singles on the Lipinski's. There is/ was no difference in sound on either set of speakers. Bi-amping will make more of a difference. Hope this helps.
It can sound really different either way. The guy who designed my speakers, Alan Yun (Silverline Preludes), told me they (specifically the Preludes) sounded more "coherent" with high quality single wire so, of course, I ignored him and bi-wired 'em anyway. Turns out he was right, and I learned from listening what "coherent" sounding speakers actually means...they really do sound much more "organized" tonally in my system with single wire (AQ Type 8). It has to be speaker/system/personal taste specific, and hey, I'm lucky he answered the phone the day I called Silverline.
Bi-wiring made a huge difference in my case but here I think it was due to the way the crossover in my speakers was implemented, really made to be bi-wired (Unity Audio Signature 1's from the early 90's). Since speaker manufacturers are split on this (some say it makes a difference for the better and some say its useless), it says to me that the way in which the crossover is implemented matters. Hey Levy, I'm also a Levy!
Almarg has certainly distilled the essence of this debate.

FWIW, Biwiring improved my system more than subtly but less than dramatically.

But my speakers and crossover are clearly designed for biwiring, per the designer. I'm not displeased with the results but its no sure thing across the board.
Almarg,
love your post! :-D :-D (that's the consensus in many things audio. LOL!)

personally, I've biwired 2 sets of speakers - B&W & Apogee. Both manuf recommended it in their speaker manuals. For several months & maybe as many as 12+ months I blew off that recommendation & listened to them wired with a single run. Then, I decided to take the manuf oup on their recommendation & biwired. In both cases I was met with improved performance & that performance was easily noticed by me within the 1st minute. The 1st thing that struck me was that the bass had more heft & better tonality. Extended listening revealed little better mids & highs - I cannot put a % to this but I'd say that the highs were cleaner & more effortless. So, I've stuck to biwiring in my present situation as in my case the performance was noticeably boosted.
FWIW. YMMW. IMHO.
Some speakers demand bi-wiring (e.g. Apogees), others make it available, and yet others do not. If you've got the wire for it it is worth a try. If you don't, and the manufacturer of your speakers doesn't necessarily say it is a benefit, then there's probably no real reason to spend the extra $ (unless you can try buy).

I didn't hear any real difference on my old MTM cone speakers, but my Apogees demand bi-wire (and they get what they need).
To bi-wire or not, that is the question, the eternal question.

There is only one way to answer this question. Get 2 sets of cables, try them. Then try just one set. Then figure out the answer yourself.

No one can answer for you.
I found a single wire cable with a matching jumper best in my case.
Some people dress their children in matching jumpers, otherwise it has to be among the strangest tweaks...I was warned by Alan Yun NOT to lose my Prelude jumpers as apparently people do and ask for replacements...10 bucks!
Keeping the same speaker cable from amp to speaker is a tweak?
Jumpers...I was referring to jumpers...small bits of wire between the posts for jumpage used by jumpists who single wire their speakers. The tweaking part is casting aside the purpose made often gold plated solid brass jumpoids (the correct technical name...maybe) and replacing them with cable exotica, or 2 inches of speaker wire of the same type as the main wire run. Some claim this is a good thing...but I can agree only that it is a thing.
It's the last 12" the matters the most. Just doesn't make sense to change to a different speaker cable at a critical point. Try it and learn.
My cable manages to keep its identity all the way to the accepting binding posts on my speakers, carrying the electrons hither and yon with alacrity....the posts welcoming this activity with appropriate appropriateness...the posts are connected to each other with exactly what they should be: A chunk of gold plated purpose made brass that keeps them bound as one against the world. It's also more aerodynamic that way.