Time for Two Ways !

I have never heard Fritz, but he's picking great components and selling at bargain prices.

They are definitely speakers I would have to audition before spending more.

We'll save the tweeter discussion for another thread, but like ANY technology, there are good and bad. :)

Hi @tubegroover

It would probably be intersting to look at the frequency response with the tweeter in normal and inverted polarity. Based on the published measurements, I think you may find inverted is the better option. It is also possible that the measured speakers were incorrectly wired.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting you invert the entire speaker, just the tweeter relative to the woofer.

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E

Awww shucks guys!! :) Thanks for the votes for fun, welcoming threads on topics we don't get to see a lot in the press.

@asvjerry

Where you the guy I gave that 2 way schematic to? :)

I built my own 2-ways with AMT's. I'm DONE shopping for speakers like forever. I wish i had a chance to hear the ESS models ever, but I'll have to settle for the German versions. :)

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@schubert

Haven't heard Rega in decades. When I last hear them they were Waaaaaay too laid back, the classic British monitor.

How are they now?

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@dweller That sounds like a very very fun project. :)

@audiokinesis

Have to agree. I use 2-way systems which have amazing output in the lowest octave. Not perfect, but wow. In the right room and correctly placed they are nearly perfect.

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Hi @grinnell

Thanks for your contribution. Tweeters without a high pass filter are very rare, and usually piezo-electric so I had to do some research and now can call BS on the Ref 3A MM de Cap not having a crossover. Sorry.

Based on the SoundStage review, it doesn’t have a WOOFER crossover (i.e. low-pass filter). It most certainly DOES have a tweeter filter, so I would not say "no crossover." Also very interesting is that they assemble the tweeter and woofer themselves, though they do buy the tweeter dome from an outside source.

http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/703-reference-3a-mm-de-capo-be-loudspeaker...

The Ref 3A is probably similar to the Seas A26 kits in crossover design. I chose a kit because you can learn a lot from the product link, here:

https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/2-way-speaker-kits/

Looking at the FR charts, I’m really pretty surprised. The ragged nature of the response, especially at the FR point is a disappointment. The designers say it is "phase coherent" but this means both drivers are pushing at the same time.

You know what you should experiment with is reversing the polarity of the tweeter. You will probably have a totally different speaker. :) See which you prefer. For more on this, see my first post here:

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/speaker-phase-observation-and-question

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For those Focal fans here, I strongly encourage you to replace your tweeter caps with Mundorf MKP , I think you’ll like the improvement.

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E