Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
jafant

JA - budgets are fascinating things. At Thiel, we never entertained trying to satisfy someone who had $six figures to spend. We tried for a performance plateau that fit ourselves and our projections of our imagined customers.

There are real improvements to be had. A great cap can cost $1000+ which could add $10K retail to a pair with normal manufacture and distribution markups. Wade through that labyrinth of focusing the next performance plateau and each product might go for something like triple the original sell price. I’m presently working with those equations.

As an example: among the many possible thought-problems - imagine a tricked-out CS5 with its same or slightly updated drivers but with 2 major upgrade foci.

1: Replace the bucket brigade delays in the two midrange drivers with physical displacement.

2: Upgrade the signal caps to CSA and resistors to MRA-12s.

The XO part count would drop to half and the sound quality would soar. That’s on my to-do list. The present CS5 owner already has the platform and upgrades don’t need the 2X retail markup.

Note that the physical baffle part of that CS5 upgrade might have happened except for the tumult caused by the rampant conversion from hi-fi to home theater in the 1990s. In an alternate universe, I imagine Thiel having concentrated on hi fi product refinement rather than the tremendous investments and demands of addressing home theater. Not only would the state of the art have been stretched, but the internal workings of the company would have been more manageable. That’s second-guessing reality. In fact, I don’t know if Thiel would have survived those market changes without jumping on the HT bandwagon. Anyhow, we are pushing the ball up the hill, a small step at a time.

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I imagine Thiel having concentrated on hi fi product refinement rather than the tremendous investments and demands of addressing home theater. Not only would the state of the art have been stretched, but the internal workings of the company would have been more manageable.
 

I sincerely believe Jim Thiel made some of the best drivers out there. IMO, only more recent and far more expensive offerings from Vandersteen, TAD, and Vivid are appreciably superior. In your alternate universe, a CS7.2 or CS3.7 with SOTA passive parts and, maybe, Wilson-like budget on cabinet materials would have elevated those models from outstanding to cutting edge.

I hope to some day hear the CS5, all the more if it has received your upgrades. IME, the highest quality bass is produced by a sealed box. Eg, the 30 year old Avalon Ascent has the best bass definition I’ve heard. Well, probably matched by the Vandy 7 which also has SOTA bass extension.

The Kento are low 40’s. You get powered subs built in w 11 bands of EQ and tge 7 midrange / tweeter matched to .5 db ( the 7 is matched to .25 db ) The 7 Extreme employs Kento bass driver arrangement.  IF one were to apply some critical thinking to where Jim T would be today, you could forsee him making many of the same design and execution choices made by Vandersteen ( many people don’t have a clear understanding of the mutal respect, friendship, time spent together w Dick Hardesty ). I see Jim continuing to invest in bespoke drivers, awesome capacitors that earn way on to speaker w sonic virtue, pistonic motion, low diffraction, time and phase and tge heavy technology investment required to build an inert low coloration cabinet , add in built for the most part in USA, stir in how many years of inflation and a $50 k JT product in the market is hardy far fetched…

Just my $1.50

I miss Charlie..RIP

tomic601

 

Thank You for pricing the Kento at $40K. It is an impressive loudspeaker system.

I dare say that I like it better than the Series 7. Still, I paid $3500- for my sweet CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. No contest. And I quite a large sum of money left over for other components.

 

Happy Listening!