this is probably the dumbest thread i've ever seen
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- 228 posts total
@engineears Most problems audiophiles think they have dont exist or are not what they think. I've been to demos where the speakers were wired out of phase. Obviously some audiophiles dont deserve to be called audiophiles since their hearing ability is pretty substandard.
For the rest of us true audiophiles, we do deserve better than what is being offered to us commercially.
speaker design is just a matter of opinion. Every speaker designer thinks their speaker is the best but theyre all wrong. Its a complete farce
Nothing will change unless the audiophile community comes to the realisation of this deception and starts to resist it.
The one thing I noticed about this group is they never seem to be satisfied.
I began my search to find a system to find a system to be able to play both 2 channel and HT. I also wanted to transform our museum (living room) into a music room and second HT with a really elegant setting. Part of the musical experience is the ambiance. Now add music and it is complete!
After receiving my 6 driver center channel and adding two REL S3’s, I think I picked the right system. Now add the two rear surrounds and walla!
Lucky for me I have been singing choral music since 1970. This is the real musical experience. Being part of the music moves me far more than isolating myself in a room listening to what others created.
We all need to realize there is a point when anyone listening to what we have would be a dream for them. Our goal should then be to concentrate on them so they too can experience music the way it was made to be listened to.
Kenjit man you are a broken individual.
Your lack of understanding warps you.
Yes there are some people who buy a car to go from point A to point B, and there are others who love the thrill of the drive.
You may buy a Kia or a Ford Tarus to go from point A to point B, that is hardly the same experience that driving a high performance sports car like a BMW, a Mercedes AMG, a Porsche a Vette, or a souped up Japanese rice burner, or a more afforable production racer like a Suburu WRX, on a deserted road and enjoying the thrill of controlling a high performance sports car and the adreline rush that is the reason for the "need for speed."
Driving fast on a track if you know what you are doing is one of the most remarkable experiences in life, the same way that hiking up a mountain or rock climbing may be.
Many of us can listen for hours to the joy of what music well reproduced can sound like.
The pursuit of perfection is a noble one the issue you may have is that many audiophiles do not tackle the challenge logically and they get often bad advice hence the constant flipping.
Our advice is to build a system which is in balance and all parts work together
When we found some of our reference speakers systems the Paradigm Persona 9H the Kef Blades and the Polymer MKX-s we didn’t just hook them up and marvel at the realism.
It was a jouurney to find matching components and to find out exactly what you need to do to make these kinds of thoughbreeds come alive.
In the case of the Polymers and the Personas we tried many different amplifiers, from CJ, Manely, Devialet, Electrcompaniet, Parasound, Thrax, and finally T+A which sounded way better than the others.
We tried swapping power cables, power conditioners. added different isolation devices, we tested five or six USB cables, and the pursuit was to make real magic.
As per your comment We have been deceived into believing that a "one size fits all" speaker that has been designed by an "expert" who knows better than we do about our requirements, will be ok. This is obviously not the case since every audiophile has a different hearing response curve and different preference.
It is the same a buying a great car, you sample the cars you want to buy to find one that matches what appeals to you.
Speakers are the same, and it comes down to what the specific listener prefers, this is not saying that the listener is correct or the speaker designer is more or less correct, people and companies design what appeals to them, the real fun comes to matching the rest of the system to bring out what you want and minimize what you don’t want in the speakers.
As per your comment: "In conclusion, the notion of a high end speaker is in fact a myth. No such thing exists."
Really a high end device is not a myth if you don’t think you can go far faster in a Porsche than a Preis you got another thing comming.
When you spend on superior technlogies and better parts you are generally going to build a faster car.
If you compare a $300 monitor to an $8k one you will get a pretty good idea that an starter pair of speakers will not really compete with a much more expensive and elaborate design, that use far superior parts and construction to deliver a speaker with greater dynamic range, greater clarity, tighter bass and a more focused soundstage.
"Its also impossible to compare all the different speakers out there in the comfort of our homes so the dealers obviously dont make it any easier for us audiophiles. Its pointless going to a store demo since thats not where youre going to be listening once you buy the speaker. We are getting a raw deal. "
The idea of a store is to be able to compare under identical circumstances many different products, that is a valuable tool and service. Yes your room and equipment may be different, howerver, that is what forging a partnership with a dealer does for you that will assist you in creating the sound you are after.
Many dealers will bring over to your home a set for testing, you can’t expect a dealer to lug five sets of speakers to you, that is why we build showrooms to make it easier for people to make up their minds.
Also the consumer testing speaker A at his or her home may not have the right ancellory gear to make that speaker shine, ofthen in a demo we will recommend a swtich to a different amp or dac to bring out that speaker, with the understanding that we are providing a strategy and a path to assit that client.
You may be stuck on that concept of performance, cost and value.
Does a $60 steak prepared to perfection that tastes marvelous is it 3 times better than the $22 dollar Diner steak?
The answer is yes, the value is up to the buyer, many people will gladly pay the difference between the two steaks as one is an experience to eat and the other is a meal.
There are great budget audio products and many really expensive ones. We have heard Million dollar systems that sucked and $2k ones that were magic. However, most of the really memorable demos were produced by the more expensive rigs.
We have four sound rooms in our shop and our $3k surround system doesnt’ sound anything like our $80k dedicated movie theater.
Life is a matter of making the choices that make you happy.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ
agree that that statement is BS. I have nice speakers (MSPR = about 17,000, I got mine used here for about half that, rated 9/10) and I am 100% satisfied with my speakers. I recently demo a new DAC and I believe my system is complete. I have not heard a system that I would trade mine for. It's my listening nirvana. I wasn't duped or lied to.
Yes, it is impossible to compare all the speakers in my home, but I also love my car and I by no means test drove every car out there, and certainly dealer didn't want me driving the car under 'my' normal conditions. Guess its time to get a bike. WAIT, I haven't driven all the bikes either. Sh*t, guess I will settle for that old waterproof yellow walkman I found in my garage.........