Every instrument has a unique soundprint. Unfortunately, we experience that sound in various environments (and that’s only if you frequently attend concerts). Only an averaging of our collective memories regarding that soundprint can be our guide. That being our reality, suspension of disbelief is our best measure of having a great system. No one listens to music in an anechoic chamber...nor would they want to! Also, systems (which includes the room their in) produce music....individual merits blending and competing for our preferred result.
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Flaconquest...that is so true! My pug loves jazz...she will lay next to me or snuggle up to my speakers and nap for hours. Maybe it’s the 12” woofers? |
For me, I’ve gone from the extreme high end to a simple system that can allow me to enjoy all types of music at any volume level I wish. Ironic that my favorite speakers turn out to be a design that is vintage, rather than SOTA....kinda like me!
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How wrong you are Hombre! Most veteran audiophiles worth their salt understand that the best measure of faithfulness in audio reproduction is to use Live recordings for evaluating a system. Preferably recordings that are of familiar artists and venues to the listener making the evaluation. The basics of music are undeniable and should be present in any so called high end stereo. Music is extremely dynamic, uncompressed, clear and at times explosive. Tone is vivid, full, complex and smooth. On some recordings the venue acoustic is as important as the music because it informs us of the energy present in the atmosphere between the notes. So many audiophiles kill the life out of their music in the name of accuracy. Accuracy as instituted by audiophiles is counterproductive in most cases. IMO |
@kenjit Please seek help...or at least companionship! You have obviously been in isolation far too long😳 |
You want the real shocking truth? Stereophonic technology that can connect the human being with the meaning of music jumped the shark along time ago. Beyond a certain point, it’s an obsessive compulsives pursuit of the Holy Grail.
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Had Maggie’s as well...great stuff but couldn’t give me the physicality of the music...the punch! Dynamic drivers can load a room better and generate more presence.
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I completely understand Hombre...enjoy!! |
Dyatlov Pass incident was Aliens 👽 |
@kenjit Yeah, there kinda is..it’s called a hearing test! Since you claim to have super human hearing, that should show up as maybe a range of 0hz to 45khz |
@xiang If we followed your rules, Audiogon wouldn’t exist and the High End Market would be reduced by at least 90%. Common sense doesn’t live here 😐 |
At this point I truly believe Kenjit is seriously on the Autism Spectrum. I have some experience with this and he seems to be caught in a loop of his own mind. He can not “Hear” (pun intended) any of the outside world’s arguments or process anything new that would challenge his beliefs. He repeats a Mantra over and over again...almost like Rain Man! Kinda feel bad for him...medication would help.
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So, I’ve been doing some self audio analysis, inspired by this whole Kenjit anomaly. The most obvious generalization that I can discern, as it relates to my audio journey, is that I have come full circle in my pursuit of the “Perfect Speaker”...at least for my ears. I was weened on the High End by my brother, who pursued this hobby for his entire life. His “Perfect Speaker” was a pair of large bookshelf Bozak B313’s. They were absolutely wonderful sounding transducers...full, warm and dynamic as heck. Everything you played on them came to life; they could transport me into the music without questioning whether or not it could sound better. Of course, over time we tried all kinds of speakers, but we always came back to the Bozak’s! So fast forward several decades and past a litany of High End purchases through which I somehow hoped to re-capture that magical sound with which I grew up and ....I found MY “Perfect Speakers”! JBL 4429’s on custom Deer Creek Audio stands. They have an almost identical Retro vibe as the beloved Bozak’s, but they bring it into the Hi Rez Age. They sound full, extended, dynamic without compression and most of all they transport me into the music and back to my old basement system where my Bozak B313’s have been singing their siren call all these years...it’s all about the music! |
@eaglegor1. Completely agree...see my post above 😉
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Total cow patties Peter 🐄
Your comment however, does bring up the issue of ambient sound, which is a natural component of a live acoustic environment. One way to allow for a certain amount of ambient excitement, is to select a listening environment that is not overly dead or dry sounding. Over dampening of acoustical environs should be avoided.
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In an overly dampened room, music can sound dead and lifeless. A mixture of reflective and non reflective materials can allow the music to sound more “alive” if you will. I’m not talking echo chambers here...just not a room that sucks up all the energy produced by the speakers. Although I have been in group listening sessions where more than a few people prefer unrealistically low volume levels and an overly dead acoustic. I grew up with live music being played in my basement. My brothers and I were all drummers as well....so I like the music to be vibrant!
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Always trade offs, but for me, music should be energizing, exciting and emotional. A great system needs to load a room, have great tone and ooze dynamics. Pin point accuracy and control is almost antithetical to a musical experience of any kind! |
