my fave subject: much will depend on your gear to create true system synergy. On your part, you will have to do much listening and auditioning on the brands that you find interesting.
My experience: the best, most transparent speaker cabling was w/
(no pun) Transparent Reference XL and/or OPUS. Not inexpensive by any means, these products belong in a $50k and up system.
The good news: there are so many Cable manufacturers now, literally, something for everyone. Choose wisely and you will be rewarded.
Look into Tempo Electric Big Twist solid-core silver cables. I have two sets, one for each amp, which even now would probably cost much less than one pair of, say, the Transparent cable mentioned.
I've used Synergistic Research, Auditorium A23, and now these. These are my final speaker cables.
No such thing as final anything in high end audio. I have got rid of all my expensive speaker cable ( MIT, High Diamond 8, Auditorium 23 and Nordost) and replaced them with cheap Western Electric 16 gauge speaker cable. $160 for 3 meter pair. Best I have ever heard. Really stunning cable. Also Belden 1804 interconects. $60 for 1 meter pair. Has all the qualities you want
You should give a serious audition to ClearDay loudspeaker cables. Listening to Roxy Music Avalon currently on my system and they are so musical. Compare them with other recommendations in "your own system" and then decide. Key is - you should decide. Paul will send you a pair of cables; just let him know your configuration.
What I like in solid core cables is that they giving me the best and coherent bass I heard but at a price of the transparency. Of all three, the most transparent however was the Russian noname solid core AC in-wall cable but it lacks the bass slam and finesse.
Well, as you can see by the myriad of responses, there really is no clear cut recommendation. All cables depend on system synergy and personal musical taste.
However, as you have already noticed, no cable can do it all either. The more transparency a cable gets, the more bass slam (weight) it loses.
Generally, you can either get more speed and resolution, or more musicality and bass weight. Just as one cannot head East and West at the same time, you must make a choice in which direction you wish to head.
Ultimately, sacrifices must be made when choosing the cable that mate best with your gear, to your ears.
Use the link below to see the video on TARA Labs cable technology:
Their labor intensive construction techniques and materials are unsurpassed and the sonic result proves it.
Audioquest delivers fantastic value and have great transparency while retaining hefty bass. I find MIT DELIVERS the most low level detail with warmth and deep taught bass. Transparent also delivers wonderful balance. Only flawed designs force you to choose detail or bass... bad designs come in many forms. Ahendler has deeper issues than can be addressed here:)
I've been in the hi-end audio game for just over 50 years, and during that time I have owned or used some 20 brands of speaker cable. The most transparent cable (both speaker and interconnect) in my system is the Nordost brand. Try to borrow several models -- starting in the Norse "family" -- or rent from The Cable Company.
dave_b1,706 posts08-26-2016 7:35pmNordost definitely should be tried...I have found their designs to fall into the flawed camp. Not balanced in their presentation.
Hmmmm....... Certainly not my experience. I would put them at the top of the list.
The most transparent cables will let you know what your speakers and electronics really sound like.... They will be the most neutral cables. If your amplification is not transparent? You may blame what you hear on the transparent cables if you think the cables will make your system sound more transparent. Catch 22...
You like the solid core because they eliminate the signal transfering mish mashing that takes place when you have all those tiny strands rubbing against one another in the typical stranded cables. The signal is jumping all over those strands. The solution? Solid core.. but it has its limits. The best of both worlds? Many strands. But, having each strand insulated from one another. Look into Litz wire cables. You'll have to Google for that. It gives the benefits of solid core, but allows for greater dynamics and detail because of the fine strands. Its what I have used for the last thirty years.
For 35 years I have been building a system which i am now finally happy to say job done , fully cabling the system from ac cables to signal cables I never mixed and matched always liked the full loom from the chosen brands , I always went back to the same manufacturers cables because in my system they just got out the way and let the music threw , its a well known company not mentioned here as yet , after years of trying and I mean years I finally settled on Jps Labs , the full loom of aluminata is a serious investment but wow they just let the music threw and to me that's what its all about hearing full signal no loss but musically satisfying , I can spend all day listening to my system ,but its now all about the quality of the recordings rather than thinking about cables , I believe jps labs have been building world class cables for 25 or so years and still going they are definitely worth trying I ended up with a full loom, I have never thought about cables again, good luck its great fun trying cables try and stick with the same cable manufacturer I fill is always best, you never mentioned what you currently own else where in your system if you have had good results with power cords or interconnects from a brand shouldn't you try speaker cables from same manufacturer, just my thoughts from my end experience good luck and most of all enjoy the music regards john
I am by no means an audio expert, nor do I have a $10,000+ system. However, the best cables I have ever used in over 40 years of listening, are the Reference Series from Anti Cables. $12 a foot! While you're at it, check out their Zero Box impedance matcher. You can multiply the speaker impedance your amplifier "sees" by 2X, 3X, and 4X. This can come in quite handy when using low impedance speakers with many tube SET amps.
I am very surprised that no one has mentioned Audience AU 24 SE cables. I have found them to be a very transparent with strong bass clarity and no harshness. But, as so many have mentioned cables will be system dependent. I do agree with NORDOST high end cables being the fastest most transparent cables I have experienced.
Where do you buy these?
No such thing as final anything in high end audio. I have got rid of all my expensive speaker cable ( MIT, High Diamond 8, Auditorium 23 and Nordost) and replaced them with cheap Western Electric 16 gauge speaker cable. $160 for 3 meter pair. Best I have ever heard. Really stunning cable. Also Belden 1804 interconects. $60 for 1 meter pair. Has all the qualities you want.
I experimented with several DIY recipes - starting out with Temp Electric's recommendation and ended up with a single conductor per pole in untreated cotton sleeve. If you can handle the stiffness try dead soft fine silver round wire from riogrande (less expensive). I am now using AWG 6 gauge (SIX - no typo!) bare wire (no termination) in heavy untreated cotton rope. This is by far the most transparent and best speaker wire I ever had. Downside is that you may hear things from your system that you don't care too much for. But it will allow you to determine shortcommings of your components.
I am a big fan of Jena Labs cables. These are the most transparent I have ever heard. Ultra pure copper in a strand-woven format with clear insulation... you will know exactly what you are getting because you can see it all. The more expensive versions have more copper, which further reduces the coloration and electromagnetic field interactions with the floor and nearby components.
jafant3,833 posts08-25-2016 9:54ambugman03-Interesting feedback Jafant. I know Fred Crowder who loves the Jorma Prime xlr's & sc's swapped out the Jorma Prime pc's on his power amps for Stage III Concepts Minotaurs, noting the Minotaurs work well on power amps, whilst Fred preferred a Jorma Prime pc on his phono stage. Though of course, it is all system-dependent.
This really clears things up. Enjoy.Roger Russel's writing is entertaining at times but very dangerous! He mixes good and true data with his own biased (and often times wrong) opinion.
" What if you use wire heavier than the minimum size recommended in the table? There is no audible improvement but there can be a considerable increase in cost."
This is plain nonsense! I compared silver wire from 16 AWG up to 6 AWG - the differences were everything but small. I just stopped at 6 AWG because the difference between 6 and 8 AWG was rather small compared to the improvement changing from 10 to 8 AWG. BTW - my speaker wires are 7 feet long - Roger Russel's table states 22 AWG is sufficient for an 8 Ohm load!
I can only recommend you try it for yourself and get 8 or even 6 AWG silver wire from riogrande, stick it in cotton rope and listen for yourself. You will be amazed - no matter what speaker cable you're currently using!
The roger russel table is right, but you have to pick the gauge based on length and the lowest impedance your speakers dropped to and some. Then after that, the benefits of larger gauges become lesser. You get 10-12 gauge with conectors that do not screw things up and you can rest relaxed... you'll have sound good as good as your system can produce.... guaranteed or your money, back!