The Miller Carbon Story


Had a real nice conversation this morning with Origin Live’s Mark Baker. Mark makes some of the very best turntables on the planet and I was interested to learn more. This was our first conversation and so he was interested in me as well. This reminded me of others who have asked.   

The following story is only superficially about the Miller Carbon. The larger and I would say more important subtext is you can do it too! Please dear reader note the number of times something was tried not knowing whether or not it would work. Like all things in life: The more things you try and the more effort you put into it the better you get at it.


The Miller Carbon Story

My first turntable was a Technics SL-1700 with Stanton 681-EEE. It was 1976. Still have that turntable, anyone can see it, right there on my system page.  https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367. Rack on the right. Bottom shelf.  

Next, after college, came the Listening Room and with it a new turntable. This was way before the internet. All we had was Stereophile On Dead Tree. After reading all the reviews it came down to a VPI package or Basis/Graham. What to do? Cast your mind back, way back, to the primitive past. I faxed my question to Stereophile.  

Michael Fremer called me back!   

The Basis/Graham was my own decision. Fremer didn’t talk me into anything. Quite the opposite. He was a source of much useful information that helped me make up my own mind. So it was that I learned early on from Michael Fremer what it is that a reviewer really is supposed to do: provide the reader with the information they need to make their own informed decision.  

My first high end mod was to remove the cheap rubber power cord from the Basis motor and replace it with an inexpensive power cord. Cheap, but proven to be better than all the freebie PCs and I wanted to find out if it made any difference on a turntable motor.  

It did! Same exact improvements heard on the other components it had been tried on before. How or why, who knows, but I heard it. Other mods followed. Different belt materials were used. Silk, cotton, floss. Each had its own influence on the sound. Fascinating!  

This was all part of the process of investigating turntable performance in order to upgrade. Easy to read about different materials, mass, motors, bearings- but what does it all mean in the real world? This was my way of figuring it out for myself.  

Teres Audio seemed to be the value leader. A complete turntable was too expensive, but the motor could be added to the Basis with only a slight modification for the speed sensor. When this worked out extremely well it gave me the confidence to go for the platter and bearing.  

But what about the plinth? Around this time I was working with DJ Casser and his Black Diamond Racing Shelf. His Shelf material was so much more effective than acrylic, it had to make a better plinth too. After a good deal more planning a BDR Source Shelf was cut into a unique sort of egg shape. Another piece was cut 4” diameter, drilled and tapped to be used as the nut to hold the bearing. Two more pieces about 3 inches in diameter were cut and stacked to make the tone arm mount. Three Round Things with Cones were screwed into the bottom of the plinth. The Miller Carbon was born. http://www.teresaudio.com/fame/40.html



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it’s all about being intentionally curious and learning through trying various upgrades and tweaks

Curious. That is often the lacking commodity. I'm often astounded at those who are so sure of themselves that they have no curiosity. And, in turn, they become know it alls who really know very little...all because they limit themselves by their lack curiosity.


I would think the biggest improvement would be to upgrade the cartridge. Still don't know why people use vinyl. I always thought it to be noisier than a CD player and now streaming is convenient along huge libraries to choose from. The next time I go to the RMAF I will check out vinyl to see if I can hear the difference. There must be a reason why people play vinyl. I am a novice compared to others and it is always interesting to hear what the experts say.

Yes, do yourself a favor and listen to a serious turntable rig. Streaming can sound very good these days, but vinyl is still king.

Oz


northbeach- Terrific idea. If you can make it August 14-15 Rick and Krissy will be here, the whole weekend nothing but listening as we have a bunch of stuff to compare. Vibration control is huge and this will be a beautiful opportunity to get some experienced input, and actually be able to hear for yourself the difference things make. But if not then, any time, for sure.

njkrebs- We are over the moon happy with ours. Have been for some time now. Might be hard to believe but far from the "diminishing returns" CW BS the more we do the more excited we get because the improvements just keep coming and are at least as impressive from this level as they were years ago. 

larry5729-
 I would think the biggest improvement would be to upgrade the cartridge.

The CW again. Patience. We will get there.

There must be a reason why people play vinyl.

There is. It's called music.

artemus_5 - 
I'm often astounded at those who are so sure of themselves that they have no curiosity. And, in turn, they become know it alls who really know very little...all because they limit themselves by their lack curiosity.

Those who have been here enough will know the most common question is "why?" and the most common answer is, "We really don't know." Followed by some say this some say that. All we really know is how it sounds. Sometimes followed by a demonstration of how it sounds. 

That's another thing Mark Baker told me. He is an engineer by training and perfectly capable of designing whatever he needs to do whatever he wants. He told us he has a great new improvement intended for his motor. Then immediately says, "If it works. We have to test it. Lots of times the designs don't work." There's times he has tried a hundred ideas before finding the one that works. Now that's curiosity! 

All the best ones are like that, far as I can tell anyway. 
For me, even an entry level TT rig surpasses digital.
Sure the relative SQ is low but the physicality of the vibration of the stylus is an organic sound.
Dear @njkreb :  "  I’m just not sure what would constitute an upgrade. "

Weird because in other thread you gave this advise talking of audio room/system:

"" tweak it over time ""

Normally we make a time to time tweak to our audio room/systems and that " tweak " is to find out some kind of improvement that can gives us a better quality listening enjoyment music sessions.
Of course that some times that " tweak " just does not works.

Any MUSIC lover as many of us can enjoy MUSIC listening through a FM station in a tunner " every where " we are.
MUSIC per sé is an art and as an art  wake up human been feelings/emotions and some of us through those tweaks try to achieve a greater enjoyment times.


Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.