The Beatles

Shubertmaniac you know something for the life of me I just don't get Anton Bruckner. To me his music is just longer than it needs to be, read "longwinded". But there are many that love him. I'm still trying, maybe someday. I guess if you don't like the Beatles maybe someday you will. Its the creativity and the diversity of their music and the social impact they had, but maybe you weren't around then. I suspect there is more universal appeal for them than you are acknowledging "hooks" aside, but have it your way. I still think that they were the most refreshing original group ever in the rock era and it extended well beyond their music. They were a social phenomena seldom matched in any era and will always be remembered as such.

Yes Dekay I agree. Who ever says the Beatles weren't good musicians I say you've got to be kidding!!, Great musicians as a cohesive whole.

Dekay I believe George DID play it on the White Album and Clapton played it on "All Things Must Pass" album, George's first solo. And Shubertmaniac right, you can't get the spelling right which means you've probably unscrewed too many bottles of Boone's Farm. You might want to ease up a bit on the pedal before you crash at 100 mph in that imaginary 63 Plymouth Furies with 383 dual quads in a summer of '65 that never existed but in your head. And by the way, if you can't note certain similarities, Bruckner DID worship Wagner. But thanks anyhow for the discourse and opening the thread. And safe driving.

Well Shubertmaniac if you hear classical form in Bruckner's music I fail to see where. Classical form is so obvious to me and is readily identified. Certainly it can be heard in the music of many of the Romantic era composers. Schuberts structural form in his Symphonic work has its foot squarely in the Classical era, and to connect Schubert with Bruckner, I see not how. The last great Romantic era composer who’s music reminds me of the Great Classical era composers is Brahms. His Symphonic work reminds one of Beethoven to a remarkable degree. What I hear in Bruckner is certainly some quite beautiful music that never seems to go anywhere or develop. To paraphrase the Kapelmeister in the film "Amadeus" "too many notes", like Charles Dickens got paid for the # of words such it seems with Bruckner's notes. That is the problem. I'm listening and unlike Beethoven, Brahms, Schuman (who was one of the great romantic composers who wished he WERE a Classical composer), and many others I get disinterested. And that is to say NOTHING about Mozart who could give lessons to all less Beethoven in combining form, structure and musical ideas into a musical whole. As you say in your opening "no cute hooks" to draw you in.

Hi Dekay in answer to your question Here is the Who's who list of musicians on "All Things Must Pass" Drums and Percussion - Ringo Starr, Jim Gordon, Alan White; Bass - Klaus Voormann, Carl Radle; Keyboard - Gary Wright, Bobby Whitlock, Billy Preston, Gary Brooker; Pedal Steel - Pete Drake; Guitar - George, Eric Clapton, Dave Mason; Tenor Sax - Bobby Keys; Trumpet - Jim Price; Rhythm Guitars & percussion - Badfinger. Producer besides George who else but the "inimitable" Phil Spector.

Jadem6 Obviously you never heard Pat Boone sing "April Love" with "101 Strings" in the support mode. Just kidding but couldn't resist and I do agree with the way the Beatles used orchestra, Tin Pan Alley style and completely until then mixes that weren't even conceived (thanks George Martin for the help, you don't get enough recognization for the great producer you are). By the way Siddh great post and great insight very succintly stated except for the part about the Stones being the "Greatest Rock and Roll Band". I don't agree with you but that is for another thread. The Stones are the greatest longest living rock band. Although I'll always love Keith Richards for being the GREATEST GUITARIST WHO EVER LIVED TO TOUR!! He eptiomizes the Stones to a greater extent than Jagger ever will to me.

Nice Post Tom. It is funny to me however that no one in this thread mentions the one American group at the time that rivaled the early Beatles and later influenced them. The first group I REALLY loved and have become an icon in their own right. The Stones were the bad boys but the Beach Boys were the Beatles' real American rivals. Remember, the Stones, Yardbirds, Dave Clark Five, Hermans Hermits and the rest of those invaders' and their work weren't the inspiration for Sgt. Pepper, Pet Sounds was. I don't know how many of you Audiogoner's out there were influenced by them but I sure was. All those songs about cars, surf, sun and especially girls sure change my life to the point that I traveled 70 miles each way to surf and live that lifestyle in a few of my summer teen years. Oh, Sweet Bird of Youth, how sweet it was!

Hey Shubertmaniac that '63 Plymouth Fury wasn't named "Christine" was it? Nice post.

I probably did in my Dad's old 1950 Mercury but I wasn't listening to sound quality just along for the ride in those long days gone bye bye. I do however remember reading in an auto magazine several years back about some guy that had over 50K(!!) invested in a tubed car audio system that won some kind of award for sound quality. In car audio it seems to be more about db's; it you can exceed the db level of a jet engine at maybe 10' your on the right track. Hell I can sometimes hear (feel is a better word) that bass thump from god knows where when I'm listening to my own stereo with the windows closed and I have thermal pane windows and a very well insulated house.