Tekton Double Impacts


Anybody out there heard these??

I have dedicated audio room 14.5x20.5x9 ft.  Currently have Marantz Reference CD/Intergrated paired to Magnepan 1.7's with REL T-7 subs.  For the vast majority of music I love this system.  The only nit pick is that it is lacking/limited in covering say below 35 hz or so.  For the first time actually buzzed the panel with an organ sacd. Bummer.  Thought of upgrading subs to rythmicks but then I will need to high pass the 1.7's.  Really don't want to deal with that approach.

Enter the Double Impacts.  Many interesting things here.  Would certainly have a different set of strengths here.  Dynamics, claimed bottom octave coverage in one package, suspect a good match to current electronics.

I've read all the threads here so we do not need to rehash that.  Just wondering if others out there have FIRST HAND experience with these or other Tekton speakers

Thanks.
corelli

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I've just asked this on the Moab thread, but the audience to this thread is larger and just as relevant: What class D amps have people used with their Double Impacts, and which are the favorites? I'm taking a serious look at d-sonic, as well as "class D audio" and perhaps there are others in the under $2000.00 price range that have worked well... 
The DI is stated to handle 400 watts - I assume, per channel. The DI SE, 500, and the Moabs 900. 

Is anyone running this kind of wattage?

The d-sonic amp runs roughly 750 wpm into 4 ohms, and even boasts 1200 into 2 ohms. Is anyone playing with this kind of power, or anything close?

I've got a passive pre, and I'm not particularly clear on the interaction between the pre and the amp, in terms of input/output voltages - perhaps this is a tech question that need to be answered here, as well...
@213runnin I find your comments interesting, in terms of how they represent you and what you are actually motivated to explain. You have an intelligent view, for sure, with strengths and limits. 

Could any of you supply me with a definition for fanboy? I would imagine this varies. I love a great deal of music. Would I consider myself a fan of Harry Connick Jr., owing to have listened to his mesmerizing album, "Lofty's Roach Soufflé" about thirty times in the past six weeks? I'm not particularly interested in much of his vocal work, but his trio - mesmerizing! If we aren't careful in our use of definitions, terms like "fanboy" can quickly become a kind of attack, what is termed the "ad hominem" attack, or fallacy, where criticism using a pejorative name is intended to act as a reason against that which the person is judged to be fanning. 

I've had my Moabs for two months. You want the good and the bad - I found them difficult to set up, partly because I've never wielded speakers that weigh 135lbs a piece. Initially, I found the bass difficult to dial in, and the soundstage was lacking... My room is smaller: 14.5 x 12, considering the 69" stature of each speaker. 

I think you called Tekton speakers "boxy" and I've had that label come up in my mind a few times, after reading an earlier post (I think it was yours). I have reflected on all of my earlier speakers and all of those dozens I've poured over at various high-fidelity shops these past decades. Speakers are a combination of boxes, smooth or soft edges, and sometimes some rounding, or globular looking effects. Some designers spend a lot of time and money tricking out the appearance of their speakers. I did first sense that Tekton's had what I was calling an "industrial" look, but then I found the tweeter array kind of exciting. Have I yet hit the mark for "fanboy"? Examples would help, here.

In my home, the Moabs are... in appearance, kind-of awesome. They are huge, white, imposing. I dialed in the paint in the room where they stand, as well as the adjacent stairwell and the walls that climb up along the stairwell. My previous Klipsch and Vandersteen, Bose, and advent speakers were all much less interesting to look upon. This is a personal experience, of course, and yet I'm sure I'm not alone. 

Sound-wise, after about a month, everything gelled. The full-range effect is, all by itself, very compelling. I could have bought some of the newest Vandersteen standmounts, and perhaps some element of the sound would have been more refined, but I seriously doubt it, and there would have been no bottom end. The top end, with all of those tweeters more-or-less effortlessly synergizing the sound, has had a number of noteworthy effects. First, the "air" - the effect wherein each voice seems to be moving the air - it's just delicious. My previous speakers - Klipsch RP280F - quite literally harmed my ears, as they were too bright. Initially, I kinda liked the fierce detail of those speakers, until I found that they were fatiguing my ears to the point of distress. The Moabs, on the other hand, have yet to cause even the slightest fatigue, and I'm not a casual listener. I sit with absolute focus, eating songs as though each is a small, but tasty meal. I think that's an honest reflect - take it for what it's worth. 

And by the way, if there are significant criticisms about the sonics of the Moabs or the Double Impacts, perhaps you could do some serious work to collect those in a sensible account of the available critical cross-section of reviews on these speakers. Many of us would be interested to hear an intelligent breakdown of "poor" reviews of the newer Tekton models. 

The bass is full and tuneful in the Moabs. There did seem to be some improvement over time, as the two 8" drivers in the RP280F's appeared to supply stronger mid-bass, initially. About two weeks back, it seemed to me that the mid-bass filled in, with the Moabs. This was probably because I mounted them each on their own bamboo cutting board. I definitely sensed bass improvement with that inexpensive modification. I'm particularly interested in hearing percussion, so I study the bass notes very carefully. I like to hear them change and shift and expand. I can keep my attention tuned directly at the bass material throughout a tune, because I see that section as the foundation of many of the selections I appreciate. Again, the bass sound is tuneful, cultured - defined and full. There are other words, but maybe just "live" is the right one. I have had that impression before, that the Moabs are able to give a BIG sound experience, able to fill the room with little effort, able to leave me feeling as though I was right there, on the dime, with the music, filled by it.

Of course, there are many different speakers (brands), each with something of their own sound. I loved my Vandersteen. Now I love my Moabs. A full, big, effortless, deep, life-like sound. They suck to move around. I also appreciated the "leap of faith" that was required to buy from an out-of-state online retailer, who was not as prompt with communication as I would have preferred. I think Eric could be more up-front about his timeline, for instance. I think it actually increases credibility to submit up front that it's going to take six, instead of three weeks. I could even discern when I was told "three weeks, but we are very busy" that it was going to take longer than three weeks, but I really shouldn't have to read through the lines, nor should Eric and Tekton need to feel they have to dance around the timing issue. So, I did experience some distress over the timeline issue, however, I made four or five visits to the local shops, auditioned Maggies, the latest Klipsch Cornwall IV, a few Paradigm models, and Golden Ears, I know I'm getting more for my money than would have been possible with one of these companies that is paying for a fully staffed front office, marketing department, salespeople, etc. Frankly, the Cornwall IV was compelling, but it would have cost a solid $2000.00 more. They want $6600.00 for the pair, at the local shop. The Maggies that include a full bottom end, were right up around $5900.00. The Moabs were not just a leap-of-faith on an online retail scenario, they were actually much more expensive than I was looking to spend. I'm not a big roller. I always scratch my way to the best possible deal and so you might note that I'm running these huge speakers off a Schiit Saga, purchased on a closeout value of $199.00. It includes the tube option. I'm also running the Schiit Modi 3. I'm also running the Nuforce STA200, which is delicious, until I start to demand chest bumping volumes, at which point it throws off waves of heat through the heat sinks and chasis. So, you are looking at a total outlay, including Cambridge CD transport, of about $6000. That's still very expensive by the standards of the ordinary consumer. The audiophile lifestyle is really (on average) very much removed from the finances of the ordinary person. You realize, don't you, that the average American would have a very difficult time accommodating an unexpected $400.00 emergency. So, my $5800.00 is really, by ordinary standards, an extreme outlay, and yet here on Audiogon it's almost peanuts... for me, it's been an experiment and, ultimately, a real joy. 

Finally, I like good criticism as much as the next guy, if it's useful. If it sounds defensive, or as though its attempting to put a finger on the scale, or if it seems oddly motivated, it's fairly easy to detect. 

Anyway, this is my two cents worth...
I would like to hear more about tube amplification with the double impacts. I have the Moab’s. I’m running them off the Schiit Aegir and it supports the speakers marvelously. I keep hearing that tubes are the way to go for clarity, soundstage, or what we might call a three dimensional sound image. The Aegir is actually amazing. It does create a 3-D image, but it does depend on the quality of the recording. I’m wondering how much more I would get out of a tube amp, and I’m also wondering what I would lose. I hear great praise for two watt Decware tube amps. Can they really generate the bass that my Aegir can generate? The Moabs claim 98db @1m, which suggests that one watt could easily drive them to astonishingly loud listing levels. I’m not convinced that’s the reality in a real live room set up. I’m about 7 1/2 feet back from my Moabs, the Aegir volume is about one or 2 o’clock on the dial. The sound is great at that volume, but the interaction between the speakers and the amp is generating maybe 40 watts and seemingly more than two at the volume I’m preferring. I’d like to hear more about the performance of tube amps for the DI’s or the Moabs. @recluse
I've got a Dennis Had fire bottle on its way in, to arrive late in the week. I hear great things about them, from just about everyone. I won't be rockin' hard with it at about 10wpc, but no matter, my preferences are acoustic and jazz, and about 75-82db peaks for evening listening sessions of a couple of hours.
So, I've been joyfully researching and mulling the possibilities (of Tekton and other speakers - mostly Vandersteen) for a few weeks - you know how it goes. I have an important question with respect to how this plays out... room size... I have only a small room in which to place my speakers: 12' by 14.5'. I have a couch at one end, almost against the window, and then the stereo sits at the other. My RP280's with two 8" woofers blend well, but they have only operated as a fill-in to this point. The tweeters are just too glaring, although I may be able to dampen. Still, I'm thinking about Tekton, thinking about whether the DI's could operate well in my room... I'm not hearing enough about the Electron's. In fact, I'm a little concerned that they are mostly a compromise speaker, developed to offset the WAF. The latter is the reasoning provided by Tekton's front-end person, when I inquired. Another person cautioned me strongly against going Tekton because of his experience with the Electron. Clearly. he hasn't heard the DI, which so many praise. Nevertheless, his claim was that the Electron did not come across as effectively integrated, that each "way" seemed a bit too independent, that the speaker lacked musicality for the aforementioned effect. Back to the RP280's for a minute: they really have a decent bottom end, so I don't want to lose that and I don't want to sub-it-up, which is absolutely not needed in my 12' by 14.5' space, given my musical preferences, which are strongly acoustically oriented. I love the plucking, hammering, thumping, trilling, vocalics, double-bassiness that the Klipsch have been able to reveal, but I need a much softened, or removed glare. And then enters this DI concept, reading as such a marvelous thing. A serious full-range event is my goal and intention. 

Thank you, in advance. 
I do mainly listen to acoustic music. Take Cassandra Wilson's "New Moon Daughter" and you have a template for my musical path in recent months. Mainly, I go with unplugged fare, and I love Jazz. Classical has been big for me, but not so much in recent years. I could see revisiting some favorite chamber works, like the 4th Brandenberg, or the Goldberg variations. I'm interested to see how piano plays, out of the DI's. Perhaps my greatest desire is to experience an enthusiastic double-bass, in a simple configuration with other instruments, with the DI's. 

What do you all think about the contrast between the DI and the DI SE? Are there fresh conclusions on how they contrast? Is the extra $ worth it? 

Very happy to hear some experiences indicating a fit for my 12' by 14.5 room. Is there a particular positioning concept that would work best for this space? 

-L
@jcarcopo Thanks for the reflections... Perhaps in white they will blend in with the walls, as they will end up forming a significant portion of the wall at 69" and width. MOABs sound like a riveting option. 

I have a question, as I haven't heard any Tekton products... One person, who claims to love the DI's, also said they have a very "in your face" presentation, and indicated that they can be fatiguing on that basis. Without refuting the claim outright, can you identify what he might be pointing to? I never felt my Vandersteen 2ci's were in my face, although my Klipsch rp280f's have a glare in the higher registers. 

I'm receiving quite a bit of assistance here, so thank you. 

@jcarcopo (or others) What is the "good way" of projecting vocals? How would this contrast with a horn? How would it contrast with other designs that you have experienced?  

What would you anticipate as a possible disappointment with the MOAB, a 69" speaker, in my 12 by 14.6' by (9-11' tall) room?

Also, can we describe any of the true improvements broadcast by the MOAD, contrasted with the DI SE? Or, is there anything the DI.SE does better than the MOAB?


Ok, so here's my question... please center your mind on my room. It's 12' by 14.6'. The ceiling, at the far lengths drops to nine feet and then rises at the mid-mark of the room (6' in) to a high points of 11'. It's something of a cathedral style. The room opens on the north side to an entry door from outside on the west and then a few feet across from the entry a stairwell rises up the north side of the stereo room. The space between the door and the stairway dumps into a room to the north.

So, consider both the DI and the MOAB: how would you set them up and what kind of soundstage - given high quality (mostly CD) recordings & TIDAL - could I expect to develop?

Would you expect any bass weirdness in this space?

I don't want to go to all this only to find I'm really trying to squeeze a 20lb wild salmon onto my plate. Quickly a blessing becomes a 


@oorelli I'm working with a Schiit Saga, inclusive of both SS and Tube options; a modi DAC; a Cambridge transport; the NuForce STA200. If necessary, I can use my Marantz SR5013, which is how I work the HT. I talked to Eric about the amplifier and he said it would be fine, owing to how easily his speakers play. Nevertheless, I'm a little concerned, having heard the STA200 doesn't take a 4ohm load well... If I need to, as I mentioned, I can fall back to the Marantz, while looking for a new amp. If that happens, I might look to the Schiit Aegir, or perhaps Parasound, or anything else people recommend. 

In your view, Corelli, what disintinguishes the DI from the DI SE or the MOAB and do you think, given the room size of 12x14.5x(9'-11' at the midpoint), that I'm mostly involved with a head game, given that all of these speakers easily fill rooms four times as large as mine...? 
There's some utility in that statement. I've found this phenomenon, even in the political.

If it makes you feel good or powerful, OR others made to seem weak, dangerous or pathetic, you will stick with it.
what if you determine it hurts others - the feel good for you is a feel bad for someone else. Do you ever try to determine this? Have far do you let that go? For some, this is a simple contest of ignorance.

Seriously - people focus on their limited sphere of success and pump it up like a 50-mile high bounce house while ignoring the people they crush or celebrating as if victorious over them.

I've listened to quite a number of speakers over the decades and I mostly choose entirely new products and product lines, brands, etc.

We are not trying to control each other's buying behavior.

I'm clearly now on Team Moab. Super percussive speaker, but not bloaty. Rarified midrange and layers.  

 Sometimes you get something that is truly breathtaking, and why not "give it away"?