Tekton Design Moab

Thanks, that’s very comforting. 

If 100,000 dead is fake news,

Yeah, fake because its supposed to be twenty times 100,000. Fake because now even the CDC reports its less deadly than a normal run of the mill flu. Fake because all the same fake news that said its okay to fly now say its not okay even to leave your house. The tragedy is all the same people who thought we should ignore it back when it would have done some good not to, now insist we must alter every aspect of everyone's lives now that we know all we really needed to do was protect the nursing homes. If you're gonna troll, get it right.

probably 40-50% in NY were from putting people in nursing homes who should not have been there.

Right. Cuomo required by executive order that nursing homes must accept Covid positive people. 
tvad-

Changing the amplifier taps changes the image size, dynamics and bass punchiness. 8 ohm taps provide a more lifelike, dynamic and larger image than 4 ohm taps, which tends to produce a punchier sound. My experience changing the taps on a KT88 push pull amplifier was similar. The change in sound in both cases was significantly more than simply volume level, and it was easy to discern.

Now that's more like it. This is just the kind of thing I'm looking for. Kind of thing I would have gotten around to with Eric if we had more time.

So this is changing taps on the same amp and speaker. Easy enough to try once I get mine. What I am curious to know is have you tried the same speaker where everything was the same only it was wired differently to achieve different impedance?

" While all the Covid deaths are a tragedy, probably 40-50% in NY were from putting people in nursing homes who should not have been there."

" probably "  --- Now that is not true. ...

Right. So bear with me if you know all this, some may not and I want to be sure we are on the same page. Any given driver has its own individual impedance curve. A speaker with one driver at 4 ohms it is what it is. A speaker with several drivers however, the impedance will change depending not only on the drivers but how they are wired- in series or in parallel.  

With my subs for example, with 4 identical drivers I was able to wire them in series, and in parallel, and compare the difference. Since they are the same exact speakers and amps the only difference is impedance, which is how they are wired. 

Okay. So Eric with all his speakers has multiple drivers of the same type and this enables him to change the total impedance of the speaker by doing nothing except wiring certain drivers in series or parallel. That is how he allows you to choose 4 or 8 ohms. Technically this could be changed by me after the fact but there really is a lot more going on than meets the eye and even if there wasn't let's face it I have no desire to go messing around with the maze of wires inside there. 

So anyway that's the question. You have heard the difference between taps with the same speaker. But have you wired the same speaker in series and in parallel to hear the difference only impedance makes in the same exact speaker?

I think you were editing while I was posting. 

"Fake because all the same fake news that said its okay to fly now say its not okay even to leave your house."

How is that different from millercarbon some time ago freaking out about the Coronavirus and staff at his doctor’s office not wearing masks while now changing his mind into "it is all fake"?

Eric has almost always recommended 4 Ohms over 8  for his flagship / full tower speakers. Note: there are a few exceptions wrt his 8 Ohm specific speakers.

I considered going 8 Ohms with my DI SEs, however Eric advised  and convinced me to stay with the 4 Ohm (standard version).

I was able to drive them effectively and to my personal satisfaction, with 2A3 monoblocks, across a wide palette of music genres.

Other amps used were the Pass 30.8, Lyric's KT120 PP, Mastersound's 845 SET, a Hybrid Ypsilon, Ampzilla, and the T+A PA 3100 HV.

Hi miller,

I too am interested in the Moabs. So I just read the 6 Moons review and it said they sounded best 16’ off the front wall, 4’ off the side walls and his listening chair was 9’ from the speakers.
Does this mean that if my room isn’t at least 25’ deep, or they won’t sound their best?
What size is your room?  Mine is only 20’ deep and 16’ wide, but I don’t think it will stop me from buying.

 I will be very interested in your reviews.

All the best.

JD

Speakers sure are important 

CHICAGO is a dem disgrace!
the gang gunshot wounds, etc are all listed at corona to get the kickback from the govt!

 Most deaths are now listed as this corona hoax.
r people dying, yes, mnay are, but the recovery rate. Is high, and the death rate is lower than reported!

 These Dems are destroying our country, the shut downs, longer unemployment pay, making people stay home w. Pay, is all part of their long term plan to control.

masks, shutdowns, Illinois is a disgrace.

arctikdeth  Have you lost any family members to Covid-19? I have lost two members of my family. I feel much better now that you have enlightened me about the true death rate. God bless you my friend.

I do feel sorrow for lost family.
  Have lost a lot of family, Dad' uncles,aunts, cousins to cancer, accidents.

 This does not take the fact of this country and it’s propaganda towards this severe flu.

 I do feel bad, as I know loss, and a lot of it, I still cry for my Father,...from a bad cancer death almost 10+ years now.

 You made me think of it in my mind, and my dog, best friend murdered, my Fathers cancer.
 I feel your pain.

MC - congrats on your decision. I too, am interested in Tekton speakers. Perhaps I will get a pair for my man cave that’s in progress.

As for the looks of speakers, I try to always wonder ’what would I think of these speakers if I were blind?’

Arctikdeth  We all have lost parents, relatives and friends to illness and some to accidents. It’s your opinion that this pandemic is a severe flu. It’s you opinion that that the severity is propaganda. Please be more respectful to us who have lost relatives to Covid-19 and keep your political opinion to yourself.

I too am interested in the Moabs. So I just read the 6 Moons review and it said they sounded best 16’ off the front wall, 4’ off the side walls and his listening chair was 9’ from the speakers.
Does this mean that if my room isn’t at least 25’ deep, or they won’t sound their best?
What size is your room? 

My room is 17x24x9 https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367
I'm with Eric, room size doesn't matter, matching speakers to room size is another audiophile canard, a view I came to long before I heard Eric saying this. 

Where you put the speakers - and equally important where you sit- is in my view down to three main things. One is bass response. Closer to walls reinforces bass but also tends to make uneven bass. Another is imaging. Closer than about 3 feet side reflections arrive too soon and this tends to hurt imaging. Same with the front wall. Third is the direct/reflected balance. A little reflected room sound can add a sense of spaciousness - if its the right sort of room sound. But really the most important thing to know is none of these are carved in granite. They are all trade-offs. So where some guy puts his speakers in his room means next to nothing in terms of where you'll put yours in your room. Even though they are the same speakers. Even if all the other components are the same. Even if the room is the same! His taste and yours may not be the same. 

I spent forever and ever moving speakers around, and listening chair around, until finally landing on where they are now. That was all with speakers only a fraction the size of these monsters. The Moabs will be going right where the Talons are. I will experiment with toe in. That's about it. I have learned to not sweat the small stuff. Others may disagree. Ask em again after they blow out their L4.

@millercarbon. What happened to everything matters? I mean you said everything matters, everything. So now you’re not going to sweat the small stuff?

Seriously? This is the level of childishness? Yes everything matters. Every tiny little thing makes a difference. But not every tiny little thing is worth getting your panties in a twist over. So give em a tug, tidy up, and try and do better next time.

Chuck, congratulations on your new Moabs!  I know you like to tweak, but make sure you get plenty of help moving them — hernias don’t aid listening enjoyment.  And when you are settled in, invite us all over for a beer!  Cheers!

Chuck, congratulations on your new Moabs!  I know you like to tweak, but make sure you get plenty of help moving them — hernias don’t aid listening enjoyment.  And when you are settled in, invite us all over for a beer!  Cheers!

They're only a little taller and heavier than the Talons, and I've moved those around a lot. My concern is when they're still boxed up, moving them around, unboxing. The Talons were crated so big they had to be uncrated in the garage. These I hear are packed smarter, but still pretty big. And heavy. But I will figure it out. I changed a water heater, made it fit into a Honda, took it to recycling. By myself. I can do it! 😂

+1 raysmtb1

Imo, horrible inconsistency here. Bad back, but will wrestle them in. Then no desire to work at placement - with a radically different speaker!? 

"Everything matters", except when it doesn't is the new rule. 

But, he'll tweak it to the max. I suggest he repent of the notion to just plop down the speakers. 

One suggestion to help save the back and allow for some placement manipulation; get a sizable, thick plate, i.e. of 1" wood or marble, etc. strong enough to support the speaker easily. Put furniture sliders under the speaker to allow movement, and work on positioning. Will pay off much larger rewards than tweaking with items about the room.  :)

Yeah well everything does matter. Doesn't mean everything makes as much difference as every other thing. There's only so much time and money, and so we prioritize. 

The Moabs are not by the way a radically different speaker. Not in terms of placement. Not in any way that I can see. 

Check it out. One tweeter, about the same height as the last one. All those tweeters above and below, at the wavelength they cover they operate as one 9" midrange. With half above and half below they are effectively one 9" midrange mounted at the same level as the tweeter. The lower woofer is almost the same position as the Talons was. Only now there are two. Which we know from having a DBA we do not localize them below 80. My understanding is they cross over in the 150-300 Hz range. Within that range where we can localize they are mounted above and below so again, same thing, appear to be coming from the same level as the tweeter. 

No wonder all the comments about their remarkably coherent sound. 

The two main reasons to experiment with speaker placement are tone or frequency response, and imaging or soundstage dimensions. In terms of frequency response we already explained how they are functionally virtually the same as the Talons. Where they differ will mostly be in the low bass, which can all be much more easily fine tuned with the subs than by moving the Moabs around. You may notice I have a 5 sub DBA. 

The bass for sure will need adjustment. Can hardly even imagine the awesomeness I have in store in the bass department.

That leaves toe. Which I already said will call for some trial and error. Although even there a lot of guys wind up with exactly what I had, pointed to converge on a spot just a little ways further back than they sit. 

Sorry tvad, that Master Set thing is a joke. An old, stale, and very bad joke. There is no such thing as a "stable music image that is the same from any seat in the listening room" to quote from the article. Sorry.

Congratulations on getting the Moabs. I've been enjoying mine for about six months. I ordered them in white with no grills. My room is 13.5x16x9 - so yep pretty small. I can attest that even in a small room, the Moab can truly deliver a full range experience without over pressurizing the room. Full disclosure, I spent three years building my dedicated listening room. I have proper absorption and diffusion with a fairly level bass response down to 30hz. But that's a different topic altogether. I just wanted to share a few thoughts about my experience positioning the speaker. They are heavy. Getting them out of the box is straight forward, but it certainly took two of us to move them around. I added outriggers with a set of Isoacoustics Gias. I have them off the floor on 2" thick wood platforms. With the isolation, I heard an uptick in warmth in the vocal, acoustic guitar, piano frequency range. I have the Moabs toed in toward my shoulders. I'm sitting 9' back from the speakers. Speakers are 6 1/4' apart from inside to inside.  After much repositioning, that worked best. I was diligent to insure pinpoint vertical leveling for both left/ right & back/ front. For me that helped greatly with proper imaging. Again congrats on the Moab. I can't wait to hear your review. 

Good to hear. Do you think the warmth was due to the wood, or raising them the additional 2"? 

They are threaded for and come with spikes. Do you know if the threads are 1/4-20? 3/8-16? 

Added warmth was a result of installing the Isoacustics GAIA 1 footers. Sorry I wasn't very clear on that point previously. The GAIAs decouple the speaker from the floor/ wood platform. I'm big fan of attenuating as much of the floor vibration as needed. There is no way I'll go back to using the provided spikes. 

The threads are 1/4 20. But please confirm with Eric, I would hate to provide you with incorrect info. VERY important, the threaded inserts at bottom of Moab are not entirely sturdy. The cabinet is MDF which can allow the insert to strip-out if not careful. It happened to me when installing the outrigger bolts. I called Eric and he instructed me to reinsert the threads using 5 min epoxy, problem solved. Just be careful when installing or removing spikes, don't over tighten.

Excellent. They only need to be finger tight anyway. Speaker weight does most of the holding, the stud merely keeps the cones from shifting. I'm all for saving money where you can but hopefully they are anchored securely enough to tilt without breaking. Those Gaia footers put considerably more leverage force into the studs than the BDR Cones I will be using. 

Were yours a standard color or high gloss, and how long did they take to deliver?

I ordered the standard white matte, love it. I like the clean look without the grill cover holes, but that's a small detail. It was about a month from order to delivery. The actual freight shipping time from Utah to California where I live was overnight. Hopefully they get your Moabs on the truck soon. 

I'm anxious to her your feedback on the BDR Cones with the Moabs. 

Best. 

I'm anxious to hear them too! 

#shalommorgan I too am a big fan of isolation. I have Tekton DI’s with 4-10 subs. The base was incredible, the only problem I had was when listening with the volume up my wood joists and subfloor would vibrate and create almost like a feedback problem. I look how I could isolate them and I found a company that does it with magnets. So now I’ve got everything mag Lev. It’s solved the bass problems I was having and made everything sound nice and tight. I should be getting my new Moab’s in a week or so. I plan on levitating them as well. Here’s a link to the company.

https://solidairaudio.com

Huge congrats millercarbon. I look forward to your thoughtful review. I have spent many hours looking at the Encores and reading reviews. What initially piqued my interest is one of the reviewers described the midrange detail to the speaker I own. You are likely a subject matter expert on upgrades as Eric's website does not discuss much detail concerning. I have already learned a lot about upgrades from reading about your experience. Not sure if you are getting grills as that has been a challenge for many who purchase Tekton Design speakers.  I purchased a set of Lores for my daughter so I could get a feel for Tekton Design. I spent a day listening to which in itself says a lot as it is a $1,000 speaker. 

Thanks. No grills. Upgrades I just heard about reading reviews and comments, then asking Tammy and Eric. Having myself modified speakers with new crossovers, internal wiring, vibration control and so on, I know how much difference it can make. Some can be done later but some like internal wiring is near impossible to do later. Nobody will ever do a side by side to know for sure of course, just kind of have to assume its worth it, which based on my experience it has to be.

What got me was so many comments from so many different people all centering around the theme of being incredibly detailed yet smooth and natural, a sense of ease with the speaker coasting along even at high volume levels, of being drawn in and listening for hours losing track of time. I saw comments from women who came to tears listening to Stevie Nicks, it sounded so good. Another reviewer his wife said they don’t sound hifi, because you can hear the singers voice. Hifi speakers on the other hand you hear the spittle in the corner of her mouth. Like they are competing to hear the spittle instead of the singing. Whole lot of comments like that.

The other thing that got me was the negatives. The criticisms were all the right ones, from all the right people, for all the right reasons. By right of course I mean wrong.

So many get caught up in the tweeter array they miss that there is something greater going on. Much greater. Because as so many have noticed, these same qualities are evident across the whole Tekton line. Many of which do not have a tweeter array. Clearly there is a lot more going on, or you wouldn’t have gotten sucked in to the Lores like you did. So eager to hear for myself.

I haven’t studied the Encores. Was initially aiming Ulfberht. Talking to some who have compared it seems Moab comes very close and for half the price. The Encore being between them would really be splitting hairs.
Other than the obvious differences in drivers there’s some less visible differences in parts.

Eric makes the comment they all have his "house sound" you just get more refinement and sophistication as you go up the line. Well, how do you get refinement and sophistication by adding some 7" drivers? You don’t. What you get is a more even power response. Better caps, wires, and higher quality drivers, that’s how you get refinement and sophistication. So I requested higher quality parts and drivers. The difference between my Moabs and Ulfs will probably be confined to some small lack of emphasis in the 90 to 180 Hz range, something like that, but even if its twice what I think it is, I’m gonna pay another $4k for that? Not made of money. Pass.

That’s practically a Raven Osprey there. I’d much rather have Moabs and Osprey than Ulfberhts and Melody. Not even close.

Congrats millercarbon! You have chosen wisely. I have not heard the MOABs, but I have heard the DI’s first hand and they are the best speakers I’ve ever heard by quite a large margin. I have a feeling there will be a large grin on your face for a while.

Thanks. The DI's are one of the most universally acclaimed speakers in memory. While looking into Moab I kept coming across guys like this who absolutely love their DI's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RxRTFx6Cd0=640s When you say large grin, hope so!

Raysmtb1. Thanks for recommending solidairaudio. I checked them out. Interesting stuff. I'll look into a little more.   

Millercarbon. What are your thoughts about Moabs with all BE tweeters, cost aside? I know the BE tweeter is an upgrade option. 

Is it considered impolite to reach out to those who actually have ongoing experience with the Moabs?

Start here: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/tekton-design-moab

I’ve been watching and contemplating a purchase.My room iis big with 16-17 vaulted ceilings with a stained beam and 2 ceiling fans.

 Large room, but these little Energy RC-70’s hold the fort well, but these Tekton speakers I know would bring 2-3X the pressure and sound.

 Using McCormack DNA-750s’ w 700W RMS @ 8Ohms, and over 1000W @ 4 Ohms.!

im sure these will drive the tekton to great sound!

david_ten-
How would it be impolite? Horses for courses.

Shalommorgan-

Millercarbon. What are your thoughts about Moabs with all BE tweeters, cost aside? I know the BE tweeter is an upgrade option.

Eric is a total speaker builder, by which I mean he’s willing to build pretty much what you want. That said his normal options for tweeter upgrades are one Be tweeter, or all tweeters Be. The expensive one on the site is all of them. Without auditioning I go like everything else by interpreting others comments, here there and everywhere. Those led me to believe I would not prefer the Be, not even just the single tweeter, not even at no additional cost. That’s just me. Not saying anything wrong with it, just its not something I want. What tiny sliver of doubt I may have had evaporated talking with teajay who again said nothing bad just helped confirm what I already was thinking.

Instead of Be my tweeters, all of them, will be upgraded to the tweeters used in the Ulf. Unlike the Be which is a big price bump even just for one these are about the price bump of one but for all. So only something like $20-30 per tweeter more. As I recall Eric said the difference is not obvious, but its there. Somewhere else along the line I heard him say his speakers get more refined and sophisticated as you go up the line. I simply put two and two together.

Using McCormack DNA-750s’ w 700W RMS @ 8Ohms, and over 1000W @ 4 Ohms.!

I’ll say. That is almost like having a 70 watt tube amp!!😉

Another congratulations, millercarbon!  Looking forward to your thoughts of them. After auditioning 15-20 speakers, I heard a pair of Pendragons at a friend’s place, and knew they were what I was searching for. I’ve owned them for over a year now, and have no desire to upgrade whatsoever. They’re great at reproducing all genres of music I’ve thrown at em too. 

No desire to upgrade, glad to hear, exactly what I'm going for. Thanks.

I purchased a pair or Enzo XL's from Eric about two years ago. (the 48" double ported version) They completely trounced my former pair of B&W's. I continue to thoroughly enjoy the rich sound they produce. The MOAB is at the top of my list when it comes time for an upgrade.  Looking forward to your review MC!

Congrats MC ... if I were younger and had the room alas. Do have Erics Electron SE coming in soon and will be shipping his Enzo XL back. 
Those huge Tekton remind me of Brian Cheneys VMPS.