Tekton Design Moab

Ordered a pair just now. In Dark Gray, to which Tammy immediately said, "Oh the Charcoal is beautiful!" Charcoal sounds better than Dark Gray (even though we are talking about the same color!) so Charcoal it is!  

My beloved Talon Khorus do still sound awfully good. It will be interesting to see how the Moabs stock out of the box compare with these tweaked and modded warhorses. Both the strength, and the weakness, of the Khorus is using the 10" woofer to cover so much midrange. Its a strength because it makes for a very smooth and cohesive sound. But its a weakness because its asking a lot of such a large driver to go so high. Talon makes up for it with their isobaric design. Mounted inside and directly behind the woofer is another identical driver facing the opposite direction. The idea is this relieves the front facing driver of having to compress the air inside the cabinet. This does allow for a much faster response, and is a big reason for the wonderful music the Khorus produces. 

I have a feeling however it is no match for Eric Alexander's ultra-low mass driver array solution. Only one way to know for sure. So we will just have to see!  


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He's asking a grand or so less than he paid, I guess if a buyer is local and ready for a full set of orange... But to ship the lot, almost better off ordering new
There is a guy on the Tekton Facebook group that has the Polycell 15's. He listens to Rock and metal and driving them with a little PS Audio Sprout100 integrated, 100W into 4 Ohms, class D. He says they are neutral and very detailed, musical with no listening fatigue. Runs with subs but feels the bass is good on there own. Wonder how these would sound with tubes or class A?
I guess MC's post was deleted. Would have liked to see that one.
Time for a glass of red wine and album I have not listened to in a while.
lalitk, In my experience, the best solution to avoiding "gear churning exercises" is to enjoy what we have. When I look for problems I usually can find them. The key for me is appreciating more than nitpicking. And if you have a system like Magister for creating good clean power, effective vibration control and good room acoustics, and can be done for not too much $$, then one can really appreciate what they have.
I agree that different components as well as cables take time to break in. And some can take a very long time. In my experience, Tektons need only a few days to be there. Not weeks or months. So twoleftears, if your point is that one should wait till it's broken in before applying enhancements, then I do not believe your point has relevance in regards to MC and his Moabs. In my understanding of this thread, he did nothing but perhaps put some contact enhancer on the terminals in the first couple of days. And that is hardly changing the speaker. Sure he looked in the port and described what he saw and what he felt was the potential for enhancement, but not much else. Perhaps he actually followed the heart of your sentiment. And at the same time, I do not have an issue with one doing all they can to make their systems sound as good as possible during a given break-in. It's your system, enjoy it.
Lalitk, the exercise of creativity, call it embedding, call it tweaking, may not be for everyone. But no need to rain on another's parade because it may not be for you.
Congrats ksnel331 ! Keep us posted.
MC - "See if you can count all the tweaks. First one to correctly find and explain the mystery connection ..."

Too many tweaks to count . But the mystery connection is your Preamp in becoming a Pre-out. Using two resistors, kind of a voltage divider, two resistors in series?
I see the zip cord going from L/R from the integrated routing to two Dayton amps, left into one and right into the other? 
I keep tabs on the Tekton Facebook group. A wide range of systems and experience from HT receivers pushing all 5 or 7 speakers on up to what many on this forum would consider a very good system. And everyone is excited with the better sound they get from whatever model they own. This kind of enjoyment and excitement in music is what makes this hobby great. I appreciate the enthusiasm and support found there. I also find it here, but it can take more work. Hoping we can move this forum back to why we love audio more than a place of contentious debate. My 2 cents. (that and 4 bucks will get you a Starbucks)
tallnotshort, That is cool
More recently improved versions with tape (speaker cables only so far) are TDF.  

What is TDF?

tallnotshort - Thanks, but don't forget, You're the one with the Moabs.

I'm in Mount Prospect, not too far. Ping me if you want to share some tunes some time.
devilboy , Sure, Eric is a speaker designer, a mad scientist type even. He does not farm out his calls to some offshore customer service center. Thank God, we would never get any real questions answered that way.
I would rather talk with the man and get exactly what I want and then some even if I needed to call a few times.
Tupuh, nice descriptions, much appreciated! There are a lot of Tekton owners who can relate.
Glupson I think audiogon should hire you as a thread moderator. You put
a lot of energy into it even for products you don’t like.

Should we put it to a vote? Here is the new ad campaign.
"Vote Glupson for Thread Moderator. I’ll steer your thread to places you never thought possible. (keep those galoshes handy)
I approve this message."
MC, thanks for the description of the spring platforms. When you say that the third 4" square is screwed down part way. Do you mean that the screw hole in plate 3 is larger than the screw, allowing it to float freely? 
Glupson I read your Moab recommendation on the 5K speaker thread. Not a glowing endorsement, but a recommendation all the same. Part of me wants to think highly of you for swallowing it and recommending a speaker that is really not for you. Kudos. BUT another part of me wants to think that perhaps this was part of a diabolical plan. Throw us a bone, and throw us off the scent?? ;-)
OK, got some springs (remember those?) put them under my Tektons, and all I can say is Wow. More air, more separation of instruments on very busy recordings, tighter, cleaner.
My old footers are no slouch, but I am keeping these.
I can probably do nothing to disuade you from thinking it was a diabolical plan.
Just busting your balls. I appreciate your honesty.

A good and honest comparison of their sound with and without grilles might help potential buyers make as informed of a decision as possible.

I do not own Moabs but another model. I have found that my Tektons do sound slightly better with the grills off. And I have found that to be the case with most other speakers I have owned.

I went back and forth between both sets of footers. Even re-listened to the same song over more than once. (I know, rookie move) 
Anecdotal, no real proof, but I can hear the difference. And that is good with me.
raysmtb1  I agree, those mag lev devices look very interesting. I was reading their site, not sure that the weight the mag system can support is enough for Moabs though?
I posted this link earlier to stacked wave disc springs, and perhaps there is a reason to not use these,
Would you be able to share why these spring may not be ideal?
 I see evidence for both coupling and decoupling speakers / floors and more importantly, have heard lots of opinions on which type works better in a given circumstance (system to system). I feel it is best to try and see what works. I have not yet tried springs, looking forward to some opinions on results here.
raysmtb1  Are you using Townshend products under your Moabs?
Frisell's Valentine, released days ago.

Got it on now. Sounding good!

glupson, nice Moab synopsis. Not glowing (like a Moab owner) Not completely unbiased, but hitting perspectives from a number of angles. And others may want to add more to what they really hear from them.
MC, glad to see you are back. Hope the worst is behind you.
Keep enjoying the Moab's and don't forget to share your latest findings on bringing out the best in them.
I purchased a pair or Enzo XL's from Eric about two years ago. (the 48" double ported version) They completely trounced my former pair of B&W's. I continue to thoroughly enjoy the rich sound they produce. The MOAB is at the top of my list when it comes time for an upgrade.  Looking forward to your review MC!
The statement made regarding what MC said was an opposing opinion. And this thread is not about discussing Ted Denney.
The "add-on" seems to me to be a snarky comment, perhaps intended to derail the thread. A lot of us are here to share information in an affirming manner, not to debate.
Ray and Speed -Those Elac tweeters look very interesting! 
I keep tabs on the Tekton Facebook group. I enjoy sharing in the excitement. And I have spent time answering questions posed. Many on FB, I surmise, would not call themselves audiophiles, but more lovers of music. And they seem to feel that their new speakers have taken them to a place they have never been before. I can hear some of us saying that ignorance is bliss. Maybe the enjoyment of the music is what matters, and less about how we get there. Horses for courses. My neighbor loves his Focals, I am keeping my Tektons.
No, born and bred in the Midwest. 
My experience with the Enzo XL's was that they sounded very good the first minute, and got considerably better after about 8 hours.
I am looking forward to your Moab delivery day. I am sure I am not alone. Always enjoy the threads about new gear. They have inspired me to make changes to my system and at times, to appreciate what I have. New gear excitement is a reminder of why we are in this hobby.
If that is not changing the speaker's performance, why do it?
Why would one use contact enhancer on a properly designed brand new equipment? Why not deliver the product with terminals that work well?
You are misreading my post. The point was to clarify at what point MC began tweaks on his Moabs, nothing to do with the performance of the Moabs.
And it is my understanding that contact enhancers are designed to enhance how well the signal passes from wire to terminal, but not enhance the terminal itself.
I understood that you were talking about timing of those tweaks by millercarbon. Still, those sentences caught my attention as they could catch the attention of anyone reading carefully and trying to understand. Had they not been there, I would not have noticed them or thought about them.
Be careful. Taking sentences out of context from a post and then painting it in a different light could be considered malicious. And certainly not constructive.
georgeninesling   - I have been enjoying the Enzo XL's for over 2 years now. They have surprised quite a few people, including a few reviewers.
Best to you,
protoss71  I use a  Beresford TC-7220. I did a lot of comparing and as long as you are using quality cables and short runs, I can not really hear a difference between the switch in place or not. I run a tube preamp for music and switch to the HT processor for movies. I have run the HT through an open line in the Pre, but I prefer not to burn the tubes more than I need.
Glupson, here is what I wrote:
So twoleftears, if your point is that one should wait till it's broken in before applying enhancements, then I do not believe your point has relevance in regards to MC and his Moabs. In my understanding of this thread, he did nothing but perhaps put some contact enhancer on the terminals in the first couple of days. And that is hardly changing the speaker.
In this context, "changing" the speaker means something like changing out drivers, changing caps etc. But most people already get the point. 
Contact enhancers may change the quality of the signal passing through the speaker. Nothing to do with terminals. Please move on.
Hey MC, when you feel that they are pretty well burned in, please share some more descriptions from a few tracks. Sound stage, dynamics, coherency etc?
Squeak__king, interesting. I have not tried those, but would like to hear others report.
Come ON cal91, let's not try and derail the thread. "D" day (delivery) is coming soon!
+1 on the springs. Loving mine

I think 6 springs would help it stay more stable when knocked. With 4, when I bump the speaker it takes about 4-5 seconds to settle back to still.
Enjoyed the wood block story. That is one of my favorite things about Tektons. They can make instruments, especially percussion, sound like the musician is standing right next to you, crisp, clean and detailed. Like you can tell from the sound what kind of wood the drumstick is made out of.
Looking forward to more MC!