Tekton Design Moab

Ordered a pair just now. In Dark Gray, to which Tammy immediately said, "Oh the Charcoal is beautiful!" Charcoal sounds better than Dark Gray (even though we are talking about the same color!) so Charcoal it is!  

My beloved Talon Khorus do still sound awfully good. It will be interesting to see how the Moabs stock out of the box compare with these tweaked and modded warhorses. Both the strength, and the weakness, of the Khorus is using the 10" woofer to cover so much midrange. Its a strength because it makes for a very smooth and cohesive sound. But its a weakness because its asking a lot of such a large driver to go so high. Talon makes up for it with their isobaric design. Mounted inside and directly behind the woofer is another identical driver facing the opposite direction. The idea is this relieves the front facing driver of having to compress the air inside the cabinet. This does allow for a much faster response, and is a big reason for the wonderful music the Khorus produces. 

I have a feeling however it is no match for Eric Alexander's ultra-low mass driver array solution. Only one way to know for sure. So we will just have to see!  

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Alright, enough already people. 
No doubt. The world is full of contradictions and hypocrisy. That’s why everyone needs to find their guiding light.
Many Libertarians want to be left alone but ironically also are fast to judge and covet control over others. Funny how that works.

That sounds right.
The LTA amps are a different breed of tube amps better suited to more speakers with its lower output impedance than most tube amps as I recall.
No surprise then Tekton did well with those. Not a good case for representing tube amps in general though. The sound was much like what I hear with my Class D amps, SS performance with good detail and low fatigue factor..
Maybe it was 2018 I was there last. Been to most every CAF, but not last year I think. Definitely Double Impacts, not Moabs. The room was barely big enough even for those but they made it work.
I believe I heard the same Tekton Double Impact room at CAF as glupson. I visited at ~ 11 am Saturday. Show started Friday. The sound was perfectly fine to my ears at modestly high volume. They did a good job setting things up in a somewhat small and cramped hotel room. Certainly nothing offensive sounding that I could detect. Maybe with some recordings which is to be expected, but I stuck to choosing decent sounding recordings given my limited time. I think I recall a 10 watt or so tube amp was being used. I spent about 30 minutes or so listening, as much time as with most any vendor there. They let me choose the music. I think source was one of the Cd res streaming services.
YMMV but that is always the case when it comes to personal preferences.
It’s silly to have to debate whether everyone will like a particular speaker or not. That is probably never the case. Hence we get so many to choose from. All shapes sizes and creeds.
It might be a better use of one’s time to stick up for folks who might appreciate it.

Or not. It’s all good I suppose.

I think by practical they mean practical approach to a lot of good sound for the money. Needless to say larger models will be less practical for more no matter what brand.

Glupson I think audiogon should hire you as a thread moderator. You put a lot of energy into it even for products you don’t like.
IT’s very hard to describe how anything sounds accurately in words alone, though generally one expects more words over time to help add some clarity.

Having heard Double Impacts, the best concise description I could give to help someone understand the sound is they sound good much in the way you would expect them to based on appearance ie bigger and with more drivers than many high end speakers for comparable cost. Better? YMMV like most things. Size often does matter though as long as quality is not left behind. Tekton seems to strike a reasonable and somewhat unique  balance for the price in general.
We’re it me requiring medical care I would be working with the trained medical professionals who are most familiar with my specific circumstances and not politicians or opinions from strangers on a hifi forum though I am sure everyone means well.
Whatever is ailing MC Here is hoping for a speedy recovery.   

So glupson  are you saying you were not even a little impressed by Tekton’s when you heard them?   Even if not,  he did say no insult intended.  
Not even  a little impressed?????

Cmon man. 🙏
I think it’s just a figure of speech.  But he may have a point. There is a lot of craziness out there these days. 
Maybe it’s the chill pill that is needed today. 
Hey glupson I think you forgot to take your happy pill today. 
Mmg’s versus Moab would seem like David versus Goliath. Two totally different experiences I would expect though subs would likely serve as somewhat of an equalizer. 
Tupu if you are a Plex user you should try the new Plexamp app although I think it requires Plex pass subscription to download. Plex app does not do CD resolution. Plexamp does. Also has a lot of nice features. I just started using it To stream from my music library and like it a lot. I’ve also been a Squeeze system user for many years.  There is a nice video about it on the Darko site. 

Glad  to hear you are enjoying your new speakers. 
What speakers are these replacing and what is the rest off the system, mainly amp?

My preference would be for people to stop telling other people what to post or not. That’s called censorship and something we need less of, not more. If you post controversial things expect a response. It’s all good. Just follow the rules. If you can’t handle it, then maybe think twice before posting.
There should be an audiogon awards show. MC might be able to win a slammy with all those big woofers. Or even better yet a tweaky award for best rubber bands.
I think it goes without saying that taking something to the next level by adding things is not the same as that something itself and would leave it at that.

I think......
Very hard to find but I’ve been using an mhdt Constantine Dac for years that can be had for not much used if found.  It beat out the mhdt Paradisea in my setup at the time though both have unique charms. 
As long as the "weakest" link in the chain is still robust, no problem.
I’m trying to figure out what it has to do with the topic of this thread. 
Maybe. If you connect all their vocal chords together in series in a single body and sing together real low........

Not all analogies are created equal......

Glupson, for the record Stereophile measurements published for other Tekton models using the array design clearly show that the midrange is not only there but pretty good both on and off axis. So its a safe bet its all those tweeters doing it.

For bass, you probably need an array of wider range drivers to have a chance. Like those expensive skinny speakers you pointed out earlier costing a fortune. But even those had very limited bass response. Maybe Bose 901s are a good reference point.. So it might be made to work somehow but my guess is its not a very practical design.  Patent time?
I would just point out that with driver arrays each driver need not work as hard so that might lower cost of driver needed but now you have many. 

Many ways to skin the cat. Tektons seem to measure well and please people including reviewers and myself at least for limited audition time I had.

 I look at it as yet another way to do things well but obviously with many drivers at a particular cost point they can’t be too expensive. Every company must be able to make a profit to thrive.

Different strokes....
My theory would be placing speakers on springs is one way to isolate from the floor, if needed. Floor interactions with the speakers result in muddy bass that also obscures detail in the midrange and can affect imaging and all the rest negatively.

There are other solutions as well. I use Auralex subdude isolation pads under my Ohm Walsh speakers when needed and that delivers the positive results of isolation as well similar to the more common use under subwoofers..

Then, separately from isolating from floor interactions, there is the stability of the speaker cabinet as it rests on various platform types. Using springs could certainly produce different results than using more rigid isolation platforms.

So these are two different ways choice of isolation solution might make the sound different.

Myself, I would prefer a solution that isolates the speakers from the floor and still provides a solid foundation for the speaker to rest on as originally designed but of course as always YMMV.
Wikipedia indicates Sanyo is owned by Panasonic these days and Panasonic is still a major Japanese electronics company.


Also for the record here is a reference to the Onkyo/Klipsch transaction. Klipsch is a distributer of Onkyo now apparently.


So likely we will see a lot of advertising of Onkyo and Klipsch together.

We sold a lot of Onkyo gear back in the good ol days at Tech HIfi. Was always one of my favs. Good sound, looks and build back In the late 70 s. 

Business relationships are complex these days and probably a topic for elsewhere. Sorry I brought it up.

Speaking of Onkyo, I read the brand was recently acquired by Klipsch. 
No Barbie Girl so far. For that track it’s continuous push-ups and burpee/planks. Perfect for that. Try it and see!
My system can handle it!  No joke. 
Rix actually I have never listened to that on my system. It’s used in a workout class I do at the gym. I do like it though. Gets me going in the class. Might see if I can stream it and see what we got.
I have no issues with springs. Elevator springs do rule though.  I apologize if I said any bad things about springs. 
Good advice oldhvy.
MC does. What happened to the joke?
Me too jetter. The act is growing old.
Well said rix.
Say something nice about me now MC. You owe me!

oh wait.....😚
Tell MC that. Him first. It’s his thread. Set the tone. Are you his keeper?
It would be for self defense and removal of waste only. 
The demeaning and self-serving innuendo that only Chuck gets things done and better than everyone else  is very condescending and uncalled for. Where do you get that stuff from?

Did I mention obnoxious?   It definitely sets the tone for conversation though. Sad times. 

I summarized my opinion on Tekton above about a page back. Buried in the fluff I suppose. But there.

Regarding midrange, when I heard DIs at Capital Audiofest the DIs we’re in a typical size hotel room off a smaller tube amp of some sort as I recall.

My recollection is the midrange was very good. It had a lot of presence as I recall and nothing problematic at least to my ears. Again Tektons made my cut for products I would consider buying, more likely were I to try a tube amp, however probably smaller models in that I personally am more interested in downsizing than getting bigger at my age and I am not overly fond of the aesthetics.
Odds are I am in the hateful 18 list and do not qualify as a MC groupie. Maybe Eric will have me. I’ve said some darn nice things about Tekton. 
How about publishing the list so the hateful ones at least know who they are?

Then they might think about it....

Did 18 people even publish to this thread? Might be slim pickings after.

Audiogon could use a block user feature perhaps but things might get pretty lonesome for some.
Epilepsy Warning: be careful....


They use this song in an exercise class I do for push-ups and burpees.......oh the pain!

Elevator coils rule!
Random (or some times chemically affected, natural or not)  trains of thought tend to work this way. You never know what’s coming next until the big surprise!!!
I disagree with a lot OP says. I also agree with some things. Bottom line is I think Tekton offers a good value product that is unique in certain ways hence the popularity.

I am big on value. I want to spend as little as I can to get as close to the perfect sound for me I can. Looks and size also matter to me.

That way I can afford to buy more music and enjoy things more. Maybe even more separate systems to listen to than I already have. My eggs are in multiple baskets. It’s a disease!  I even tweak for heaven's sake!
???? don't know what you are talking about.
So just to summarize, as I’ve stated from the beginning, I have heard Tektons (Double Impacts) and liked them enough to make the cut, meaning they are on the list of products I would consider buying. The pluses and minuses have been well documented here and elsewhere. Not much else to say in lieu of living with a pair. One thing I have noted recently is though they are a reasonable choice for use with lower powered tube amps, they are probably not the best choice in that regard, though likely better than many, perhaps even most, especially at the price point. Personally I would throw a relatively juicy higher powered SS amp at them. My existing Bel Canto ref10000ms would surely fit the bill as they do with my big Ohm Walsh speakers. I use a tube pre-amp in front and that might be a nice touch for many. Then again there is probably not a speaker out there that the Bel Cantos cannot drive to the max (maybe a few plagued with extreme low impedance and phase issues) so the choices are virtually unlimited with an amp like that.
Well glupson, why spend so much time having to backpeddle?  If you don't want to be associated, then just find something better to talk about.
Don’t talk about things you don’t want to be associated with then. Saves everyone time and money.
Ok fine Glupson. You can recommend whatever you want as can anyone. Just be willing to live with the consequences.
I can’t even follow all the acronyms. 
Do we win a prize if we find the hidden tweak?