"...you can tell just by the way we sound talking to each other."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMOBxjIvLBE
Tekton Design Moab
Ordered a pair just now. In Dark Gray, to which Tammy immediately said, "Oh the Charcoal is beautiful!" Charcoal sounds better than Dark Gray (even though we are talking about the same color!) so Charcoal it is!
My beloved Talon Khorus do still sound awfully good. It will be interesting to see how the Moabs stock out of the box compare with these tweaked and modded warhorses. Both the strength, and the weakness, of the Khorus is using the 10" woofer to cover so much midrange. Its a strength because it makes for a very smooth and cohesive sound. But its a weakness because its asking a lot of such a large driver to go so high. Talon makes up for it with their isobaric design. Mounted inside and directly behind the woofer is another identical driver facing the opposite direction. The idea is this relieves the front facing driver of having to compress the air inside the cabinet. This does allow for a much faster response, and is a big reason for the wonderful music the Khorus produces.
I have a feeling however it is no match for Eric Alexander's ultra-low mass driver array solution. Only one way to know for sure. So we will just have to see!
https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367
My beloved Talon Khorus do still sound awfully good. It will be interesting to see how the Moabs stock out of the box compare with these tweaked and modded warhorses. Both the strength, and the weakness, of the Khorus is using the 10" woofer to cover so much midrange. Its a strength because it makes for a very smooth and cohesive sound. But its a weakness because its asking a lot of such a large driver to go so high. Talon makes up for it with their isobaric design. Mounted inside and directly behind the woofer is another identical driver facing the opposite direction. The idea is this relieves the front facing driver of having to compress the air inside the cabinet. This does allow for a much faster response, and is a big reason for the wonderful music the Khorus produces.
I have a feeling however it is no match for Eric Alexander's ultra-low mass driver array solution. Only one way to know for sure. So we will just have to see!
https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367
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There is always a little room for improvement. It is really nice that millercarbon invites people to his place for a listen. However, it is emerging that such listening sessions, as appreciated as they should be, are not overly useful for objective assessment of Moabs. pinwa summarized it nicely. The impression is of millercarbon's work and not of Moabs in any meaningful sense. Which is what it may be all about anyway. |
mapman, Of course Moabs have midrange, a decent one at that, and it must be those tweeters. It is just that sometimes one thing brings another thought of similar design. I have heard 14 canaries, even more than that, singing and it was far from a tiger roar. It was more like some supertweeter. If you get a chance to hear The Note that I mentioned earlier, by all means do so. They set them up with a subwoofer so they almost certainly lack bass big time, but they are worth auditioning, I think. Another interesting proposition in Tekton claims (I forgot who actually mentioned it) is that low mass of the tweeters is supposed to somehow follow low mass of the instrument. Not in those words, but that is how I got it. Maybe I got it wrong. That one I am still trying to decipher. |
"And that part about it being MY house, and MY system getting all the compliments..." This one is getting funny. Not to mention that at least thecarpathian and I actually praised millercarbon's system without ever hearing it. House is a different topic and how it got into this conversation is a mystery. Ok, millercarbon, it is a phenomenal house. Our caves cannot touch it. |
millercarbon, Seriously, as audio should be taken, you should work on figuring out why your Moabs sound distorted and muddy without cable elevators. Those I did hear were neither distorted, nor muddy. There may be something wrong with your set-up. By the way, do not imply that people are dead who are not dead. It is a sign of bad taste and expression of wimpiness. It is not as funny as you think it is. Remember how scared you were of catching a virus just a few months ago. |
randym860, I did notice your answer about grilles and I do hope that potential buyers notice it, too. It was way more informative and important, along with the one I remember you mentioned the garage and positioning/room in, than many of the accolades that do not read as believable as yours. I simply did not mention you in my post as it was not about the grilles, but about my attempts at actually doing something for "understanding" of Moabs. |
twoleftears, Thanks for the link. It seems that contact enhancers deteriorate and that is what posters on that thread focused on. My point was about more detrimental issues. Do they harm connectors? One of the posts there mentioned discoloration. Again, given possible high margins and willingness to sell a product with unknown amount of pre-market testing, I would be concerned about possible damage, even if on microscopic or molecular level. |
millercarbon, thecarpathian brought up a very good point about electrode gel and possibility that it may promote corrosion on terminals. Try it for a short time and wipe it off with a paper towel. That brought up another thought about contact enhancers. How certain can users be what is in them? Have "audiophile" enhancers ever been tested for their long-term effects on metals they come in contact with on audio equipment? Have they been tested on, for example, metal or alloy that Moabs' terminals are made of? It is an unregulated industry and one may only have the word of the person trying to sell a multi-dollar product. Is there a chance that it will damage the equipment? There is. Is it significant? Who knows. |
"...sounds like time to call an employment agency and get more help." It seems that painting is the bottleneck... https://www.tektondesign.com/careers.html |
"Another thing to keep in mind, Mac was doing cluster drivers 40 years ago. They are just not as well known for their speakers." How different is the concept of these McIntosh speakers from Tekton Moab speakers? I see a lots of drivers and owner's manual talks about each speaker not having to work hard, etc.. |
ksnell331, The best thing you can do is to hear Moabs before buying. It beats any thread, any review, any theory, anything. They are the speakers that need to be heard before buying. I would discourage you to buy them just based on musings of others. The opportunity to listen to them before buying is worth whatever shipping cost would be if you had to send them back. Go for it, leave your mind open, and use your own ears and observations. |
tupuhumuhumunukunukuapuaa, Sadly, you attitude will soon match those of a few other Moab owners. |
speedbump6, Of course, it would not be for everyone. By the way, I found it cute how description is "We craft affordable and practical audio products...". Affordable to some extent definitely, but ask your wife about "practical". Nothing wrong with it, but practical is not the second thing that comes to one’s mind when talking about Tektons, at least about Moabs. |
That one time I listened to Moabs, I immediately thought they would be a good match for Jimi Hendrix music. Honest to chocolate. Classical, not so much. I do not know if either of my hunches was correct, though. After millercarbon wrote about Harry Nilsson's Coconut song that I had never heard of, I discovered I have it. It is an interesting one and I feel I will put it on in the future when wanting to hear the system. My earphones do it a justice. Try it (song, not my earphones). Score millercarbon. |
p01529, "You would never see people talking about sheep and cows in Wilson, Magico,totem, revel, or any good speaker in an audiogon post."You are partially correct. Virtually every longish (more than a page, I would guess) thread starts mentioning lots of other things. It may be that there is only so much of "real" information that you can exchange on any topic in the course of this mode of Internet entertainement. After that, sheep, cows, birds, cars (exclusively Porsches on audiogon), Karl Marx, and whatever else comes to one's mind. You can learn more about other things here than you can about some focused topic. Do contribute, the bar is open. |
From the beginning of this thread, it has looked as if calling Tekton manufacturer and chatting with him has been common. It was puzzling, too. It appeared like very good customer service and even better marketing strategy. Of course, there are only 24 hours in a day for those phone calls. If the paint is the problem, maybe it can be circumvented. According to this thread, Tekton buyers do not mind working on their speakers after delivery. Why not offer "unfinished finish"? It skips the painting/finishing bottleneck. It gives buyer an opportunity to get more involved with her/his speakers. It makes each pair of speakers truly unique. It makes the owner proud of her/his accomplishment and ownership. It becomes not only "Tekton speakers I bought", but "MY Tekton speakers". |
"Also, can you ask him why he always states his opinions and everything he posts as if they are chiseled in granite facts, and anyone who does not share in his opinion is wrong and subject to his oh so mature name calling? Those things are rarely answered by the person they are asked about. There are different professionals who trained for a long time to work on such answers. |