He has time for interviews, that’s how I find out what some where designed for. He just needs to spend a little time for a web designer, to give them the info |
Glupson. Stop driving on nascar tracks, with all left turns. Road race courses have both left and rights. Or drive at night in the country and you can add stray deer in the road too. |
I thought he had said million dollar Magicos, and I know they do offer a million dollar speaker. I own the model 25 subs myself, and if you cannot understand what Miller is saying, I’ll explain, though it seems you may not understand, on purpose. Six rel model 25s will indeed sound better than six of most any other six subs, other than Wilson Thor’s hammers? I have not heard those, so who knows, but multiple subs of good quality can indeed most subs out there. As far as the infinity irs system at ps audio, it’s decades out of production, and not relevant as it’s not something that you can really go out and buy. Would Paul take a mil for those? He might be a fool not to, but it’s still not a commercially avaible product either way. Has it ever occurred to you to post something productive and or positive for once? Also, it seems no one here is allowed to even discuss ultra high end speakers since we don’t/ Havnt owned them. Can someone please post the rules that state this is so? Seems more like someone who wants to make his own rules as he goes along. |
Lance, you can get the Moabs with the be tweeters for 600.00 more for the pair, I just ordered a pair like that, plus the upgraded crossover components and wiring. Wonder if those upgrades would have changed some things in that comparison. I did the Bes in my Ulfers so wanted to be sure they matched |
Po, I believe I already answered that question, and it’s yes. I currently own two sets that were well over that price, Wilson sasha daws, and bw 800d3s. I have a solution 710 amp and 720 preamp, they I never heard before buying. A krell 402e and c222 preamp, an ayre kxr twenty, a theta digital casbalnca with full extreme dacs and seven Chanel dreadnaught amp. So, yes, I’ve spent five figures numerous times without hearing any one of those prior to purchasing. |
Heir, I believe that’s already been mentioned and dispelled. Though I doubt from the tone of your post that you’d believe it either way. Why can’t someone be enthusiastic about their decisions? Why the need to deride people who enjoy this hobby? There’s no need to drive people away with negativity. Hey, if tekton, or whatever the product is, isn’t your cup of tea, no ones trying to force anyone to do anything they don’t want. If you don’t want to bother reading the thread then I’m not sure how you can come to your conclusion unless it doesn’t matter to you what was said. |
Po, what a great idea. Hopefully he recorded his convos with Eric and that could be put together as an interview with Eric. Can you imagine how proud the delivery man would be knowing what he was bringing. Need one of those apps that can add showers of sparkles as they enter the threshold to indicate the level of joy of the event. Great ideas po. I can see your level of anticipation is growing as the day nears. Lol |
These days there’s usually enough info avaible to get a pretty good idea of what something sounds like to be able to get a likely good matchup so you don’t have to send it back. |
Lol boxer. Maybe the other companies are getting desperate, tekton is taking over! |
Rix is correct. This is the modern world, technology and people’s ha it’s change as it changes. |
Glupson. There are a quite a number of customer reviews, and avshowroom, ie gene and crew, have done them on YouTube also. If you didn’t find them, you’re not looking. The large number of positive and happy customers do tell a story, as ray noted. This is 2020, and in this world we all buy many things without ever having had the ability to try them out first. Yes return policies do help with that, and as ray discovered, you won’t find moabs, or very many tektons at all really, for sale pre owned. I tried that myself before I ordered my set. I’m sure there’s some old fogeys like you ( I’m a boomer myself) who would only buy if they can hear in person, but they’re missing out on a lot of options like that. I may be old, but I try to adapt to the times. No problem with either method, to each their own. The internet has allowed relative unknowns to create a market for their products with relative ease. Some of us old guard may be resistant to change, but I’ve found even boomers like the choices they have, I’ve seen many hardly even venture out to purchase any longer, they enjoy the convienence of shopping from home. |
Oh, and before someone else we know says it. You called and mentioned Eric again. Once I’m able to finally get my setup done, and assuming I like what I hear, I might press him an an announcement he made a while back about an even higher level than my ulfers. |
Miller, I dint even realize there was a difference, maybe I should ask him to do that with my moabs, lol |
We all have to work as best we can within our budgets. You could even say miller’s system is mail order, as tekton is online ordering, today’s version of mail order, lol |
Roxy, he did tell Eric not to mess with it. |
Squeak, it says special requests cannot be returned at all. Today’s world has become very much a mail order business, even at the high end, or maybe even more so at the high end. |
Miller, it’s like someone who keeps posting pics of Kate upton. Who is going to complain? Lol |
By the way, for those that talk about the value of the speakers in the Tekton’s. Let’s look at my Wilson Sasha daws for a moment. Nearly 40k speakers. Any idea of the value of the ( scanspeak mostly from what I’ve read) drivers in those speakers? Then compare that as a percentage to the selling price, and then see how that compares to the Tekton’s. Heiro as Miller has pointed out, there at different business models, and each company has to decide which works best for them. There is a benefit to each model, but greatly depends on overhead and many other issues. Then what are their goals? |
Mahg they also purposely mistake what the poster said, an obvious personal issue they have. I think that they tend to just be generally unhappy people, do they want others to be as unhappy as they are. |
Ok, so when did this threads subject get changed to political discussion. And why is someone quoting a and acknowledging “ comedian” bill Maher as a serious topic. |
Glupson, no company in the world is going to post that, lol. Everyone has got to make a living. |
Glupson, As far as positive reviews, I guess you haven’t bothered to read much of just this thread, I’ve seen a few people post here that they have and like the moabs. There are other threads in this forum with people posting positive reviews on them. Avs also has a forum, I’d say it’s more home theater related than two channel, but there’s some happy people there also. Apparently there isn’t a rush of unhappy customers looking to get out from underneath them either, try to find any pre owned for sale. I gave up waiting and ordered new. I might have gone for another set of Ulfers, or the encores if they had shown up pre owned, but apparently everyone seems to be happy with their purchase. |
What about screwing some tempurpedic mattresses to the walls? |
Keep us informed of any mods and their results Miller |
It’s been an hour, are they there yet? Is the review written? Lol
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Lol po, that level of paranoia seems extreme. The vendors grandson? When I see large numbers of happy customers, I assume, real deal, not hundreds of the vendors best buddies. A lot of people buy without listening, ive bought many speakers in the five digits, and never once flew anywhere to hear them, nor would I. With my work, I only have one day a week, and my time is too valuable to spend it on a whirlwind trip, much less what dealer is going to accommodate me on a Sunday. I wish things were different and that I could, but let’s say you’re thinking about a pick among five different speakers. That’s 5x500 now. And there’s Covid to worry about. I don’t think many people would make a dedicated trip for that purpose. |
Roxy, I’ve seen and heard on YouTube a few setups with seven of those in a home theater setup. For that purpose I think they’re probably fantastic, and the reviews I’ve seen on that setup seemed to say so. I doubt they could hold their own against the Tekton’s in a strict two channel system though. Certainly a different animal, depending on what you’re looking for. |
I must not count, since I’m an about to be moab owner, lol. But I am an already Ulfers owner |
Roxy, didn’t say they’re not suited for two channel, but their designer in an interview said they were designed for home theater, to give a similar experience to what you hear in the theater. I’ve read all the reviews on them , and they seem to be very good speakers. I would love to hear the home theater setup in person, and I understand the bass in that is very impressive even without subwoofers |
Lol, the reviews some naysayers try to say are advertisements, not reviews. Funny how ones who don’t like a product will claim that if a review says good things about a product they don’t like. The only thing I don’t care for about avs is that gene goes overboard on his cable videos. His percentage of anti cable videos to total videos seems pretty high. We get the point after a couple of them, so show us more on products. |
Ah klh, you are correct, I did do that, though people have made the comment on this thread about avshowrooms being advertisements. I suppose they say that because they’re positive and want to try to take away from their credibility. It’s curious, and most of the ones that are negative towards Tekton’s seem to be some of the same ones who believe cables are snake oil, maybe that’s why I mentally was associating the two, lol. |
Glupson, you don’t get out much, do you. Or read either apparently. Most reviews do indeed state manufactures websites, usually at the from page, or at the end where they post the stated specs. I’ve been reading the different magazines for over 30 years now, and I find it rare that info is not stated. Also many reviewers are offered samples at reduced pricing, gratis, etc, so I guess you could then say that they’re sponsored in some way by the same token, so in effect no reviews other than customer reviews would be valid. Ok then, please read actual customer feedback, of which there is plenty online, and even some current tekton owners on this thread. Ah, that’s right, those can’t be valid either, because people feel the need to validate their purchase with praise, lol. So in effect we can’t believe anything we read, only what the negative nellies tell us. Having read enough of millers posts, I do believe that if he’s not happy, those tektons won’t be staying around long, he doesn’t seem to be the kind to suffer bad equipment and sound well. |
Now he’s just teasing us, stringing us along. They’re set up and do you believe he’s really out doing honey dos? Lol. Enjoy the listening miller. |
Raided geometric wiring adds to time and cost, I have point to point wired guitar amps that look like a five year old did it, and ones that look like a formula one engineer did it, needless to say I paid the German engineer price for those ones two. But is beautiful to look at with the cover off |
Well, imagine that, another of those supposedly rarified positive reviews of the tektons. |
I believe vaiablex was being funny in his post, but sometimes hard to tell |
I’m not sure how many speakers do or don’t meet their rated efficiencies, I do know that it was called into question with Klipsch speakers in some reviews I read, seems some felt how they rated them was a bit over generous. |
At least he’s honest, how do we know that all reviews aren’t done under the influence. I doubt a magazine writer is going to be forthcoming with such things. |
tvad, the way your post is worded makes it sound like Miller should be reported to his job, about his postings in this thread. If that is incorrect, please do correct that impression for me. |
Lol map, don’t most audiophile look for the next upgrade, the next level to better their sound. Be it new cables, a new tone arm, and amp, speakers, acoustic treatments, whatever. The pursuit of perfection never ends, because we will never achieve it. Yet we still strive for it. There is always room for improvement, in some way. No need to be jealous of someone who seems closer to his personal idea of perfection than most. Just be happy that their journey has progressed that far for them. The sarcasm can be felt from here. If we are really lucky maybe Miller can have Eric do a daily words of wisdom like Paul McGowan does if you subscribe to his mailing list, and miller can post it for us each day. Wouldn’t that be great?! |
King, and yet, despite all of that, they still get huge numbers of positive and happy customers who feel they’re the best they’ve heard for the price, and best they’ve heard period in many cases. If you need pretty wiring, understandable. Everyone has to decide what’s important to them. I’ll take the sound over aesthetics in my case. Personally if upgrades like grannyring mentioned were offered by Eric as one of the options on his site, I’d pay the extra and upgrade to the best crossover components, better internal wiring etc. just have to understand that everything comes with a price, and every product is a compromise based on that. As good as the stock speakers sound for the money according to large numbers of tekton owners, I’d say they represent excellent value as is. |
Squeak, that post was to the guy who’s name started with king who said this thread has convinced him away from tekton. Funny about the room you were wondering about size for the speakers. My home theater is 16x14 and I have the a 9.4.6 system with Ulfers fronts, will have Moab rears, 2 paradigm sub 2s and 2 svs pb16 ultras. You don’t need a huge room, but I do intend to remodel at some point and increase the size to get more separation of sound as it travels front to back in Dolby atmos. |
Lol, sorry, but you are so wrong in so many ways. You don’t seem to get the point of this forum. We add different cables ( tweak) isolation feet ( tweak) gr research exists because lots of people like to tweak, many makers including Tekton offer upgrades( tweaks) we tweak our systems by changing out different components. Apparently Eric is willing to tweak his speakers completely if the customers asks and so wishes, according to miller’s experience. We add fuses from SR ( tweak) for better sound. We add power conditioners, and regenerator to improve our systems. Many of us are in a constant state of tweaks of one sort or another. There are many after market upgrades for Maggie’s, etc etc etc. this forum is all about tweaks, of so many varieties. If you enjoy the product as it comes, great for you, but I Havnt met many audiophiles who Havnt tweaked something, much less then claim it’s a different product. Are my tektons not the same product because I got Eric to add the be tweeters and upgrades crossovers and wiring. What is it that I have then? Or my center channel which isn’t even listed on his website, it’s a special version better designed to match with the Ulfers? If I had chosen to make those upgrades myself, does that change what I have, because I did it? I personally don’t have the patience to consider the different upgrades that have been mentioned for these, though if there were someone like grannyring in Houston, I’d love to let them set me up. |
Mapman, most speakers could be upgraded, if so one chose to do do. There are very few speakers using the most expensive components right from the start. My Wilson Sasha daws at nearly 30k are not using the most expensive drivers, crossover components, wiring , etc. I can’t speak for the million dollar range, maybe, I would assume they do. Just Mercedes makes a nice car, the s series which starts at just under 100k, but you can “ tweak” it with upgrades and reach over 200k. Does that make the base car less than great? Mercedes easily outsells their top competitors combined in that class, even with such an inadequate product. People speak with their pocketbooks, seems like Tekton is doing something right, like say, appeal to what the customer actually wants, vs making a 60k statement piece that might sell in the double digits, and be considered a resounding success if it reached the triple digits. |
Granny, it’s obvious that some people’s only intent is to demean either a product or a person. Rbs. Please show me where I said anywhere that I could there the sahsas I to anything, much less for a few hundred dollars. I have looked at top of the line scans leak tweeters as possibly replacing the tweeters in my Ulfers, at aprox 500-700 each times the number of tweeters it has, with no idea of what that would do, other than it would be a grand experiment. You obviously are trying to take what I did say, and make into something to fit your own purposes of being g negative. Tweak, modify, I’ll define that how I wish, and will not accept your particular definition of the terms, as you’re just attempting to define them for your own ends. It’s simple guys, Miller has the the speakers sound great, he did not say they are completely perfect. Some of you are intent on nitpicking anything g he says for some reason. If you’re not interested, why are you even posting here. More of the same ones trying to save the world from the snake oil cable companies I suppose. Most of us are completely capable of reading, Hearing, and deciding for ourselves. We don’t need saving. |
Miller, your approach makes a lot of sense. Too many people would rather be against something than to listen with their own ears. What they end up with may be different for many, but the idea of putting down someone for their choices and enthusiasm says more about themselves than anything to do with the subject of discussion. There are lots of threads on this forum, and when I’m not interested in a product, I find it very simple just not to post. I’m not interested in raining on anyone’s parade. There’s so many products, and realistically lots of good choices available. Since we can’t have them all, we each have to decide what makes the most sense for us. Why that is a problem for anyone else, I’ll never know. Now I have a question. Was just thinking about this. I’ll be using a Bryston 14bsst2 amp for my Ulfers, and two separate 7 channel 300 watt per channel, all channels driven amps for the rest of speakers. I am wondering if I should add another Bryston for the moabs, since those are 600 watt @8 ohms amps, to balance the fronts and rears, and both sets of speakers are able to handle the higher wattage. Also since the tektons are rated at 4 ohms while the rest of the surrounds and atmos speakers are rated at 8. Supposedly the amps can handle the mix, but was wondering if it would be worthwhile to go ahead and separate them. |
Come one glupson, now you’re being too modest. Without you and a few others, it would have never gone 28 pages. I’ll give credit where credit is due. |
Squeak, you go to McDonald’s and modify the order by having them leave out the pickles, or add extra pickles. Does that mean there was something wrong with the burger, or does it mean that mcdonalds is smart to accommodate their customers. A base model double impact is offered, then there is an se version with multiple upgrades. Doesn’t mean the base model doesn’t sound good. Look up Pure Audio Project. They offer several different speaker configurations, and different price points. They offer different personal choices at different budgets. They offer a triple, and a quad driver setup. Some people take stock cars and modify them with performance parts, not because there was anything wrong with them, but because they wanted to have more of what they like. I play the guitar, and I’ll change out pickups for different sounds. People use nos tubes in amps, does that mean the amps were lacking, or something wrong with them? I don’t see these types of discussions happening when the same thing is mentioned about other speakers, or other audio products. It’s not blasphemy to modify a product, and I doubt that any manufacturer would take issue with anyone who did so. |
Glupson, not understanding your reference to that link you posted. Doesn’t seem to be relevant to this thread. Who in their right mind would even buy products from someone selling out of a white van, lol, that is so 80s. I once went for a job interview to be a manager of a store location, was told to go with one of the other “managers”, who was rather underdressed. We got into his car and started to drive away, when I looked in the back and realized what I had gotten myself into. Yep, car speakers, knife sets, etc. he tried selling to a fella who didn’t speak English after he drove into an apartment complex, then he needed to do to the drivers license office to renew it. While he did that I called a friend to come get me and take me back to my car. While I waited I saw him come out of the DL office and looking for me. Can you imagine going back and saying I lost my guy, lol. I would love to hear those million dollar speakers, but don’t think I will ever get the chance until I retire and have more time on my hands. |
Glupson, I had no intention of being hired for that job. I don’t believe it’s my powers of observation that are at issue. It’s amazing how far a little common sense can take a person if they put aside all the preconceived ideas. Not everyone finds it possible to do that. |
