TAS's recommended speakers under 2500

You right on da money kirk. I think both the magnepan 1.6 and the vandersteen 2ce's are outstanding speakers, yet they couldn't be more different.

The matrix might work. I wish the audio magazines would be a little more up front in describing a component's weaker areas. They all have them. An audio physic has lightweight bass and sounds bad with cheap components, a vandersteen lacks detail and has fairly opaque imaging, a magnepan vertically oversizes images, has haze in the low level detail and has weightless dynamics. Wilson MAXX's are too big & look like they want to attack you. Why don't they just COME OUT AND SAY IT. I get tired and confused trying to read between the lines.

A criticism of the above list is that I don't see some truly outstanding speaker's here. I know they are limited in how much they can review, but I feel a magazine of their size should have a few more in there. Where are the Meadowlarks, Paradigm Studios, and Joseph Audio's ?

You right on da money kirk. I think both the magnepan 1.6 and the vandersteen 2ce's are outstanding speakers, yet they couldn't be more different.

The matrix might work. I wish the audio magazines would be a little more up front in describing a component's weaker areas. They all have them. An audio physic has lightweight bass and sounds bad with cheap components, a vandersteen lacks detail and has fairly opaque imaging, a magnepan vertically oversizes images, has haze in the low level detail and has weightless dynamics. Wilson MAXX's are too big & look like they want to attack you. Why don't they just COME OUT AND SAY IT. I get tired and confused trying to read between the lines.

A criticism of the above list is that I don't see some truly outstanding speaker's here. I know they are limited in how much they can review, but I feel a magazine of their size should have a few more in there. Where are the Meadowlarks, Paradigm Studios, and Joseph Audio's ?

Hey SdCampbell,
I will note here that I am a vandersteen lover too, and I've owned several different models over the last 12 years. In fact I recall that you almost bought my vandersteen 3a Sigs when I upgraded to the van 5 a few years ago ! (you found one in seattle)

I still feel that vans are challenged from a detail and transparency viewpoint. I know you are in Seattle. If you like, come down to Portland and listen to my audio physic avanti's and my vandersteen 2ce Signature's. The avanti's will demolish the vans in terms of soundstaging, imaging, speed, and level detail. The vans will smoke the avanti's playing rock and are the more 'easy to live with' speaker. Their laid back upper range 'invites' you to listen into the recording more. I swapped the avanti's for the van 2ce Sigs in my main listening room for a couple days last week, hooked up to high resolution electronics.

Now I realize that comparing an $1800 speaker to a $10,000 speaker is unfair, but the same generalization holds true of the $11,000 vandersteen 5 which I also owned for around a year. If you like to hear things like the low level detail of a violin bow across the strings, finger's hitting bass strings, and Nadja's sobbing, the avanti will give it to you. The vandersteen won't. If you want to feel the room shake when pete townshend hits a windmill chord, or sense the weight, size and body resonance of a 1940's martin, the vandersteen will give it to you, the audio physic won't. People pooh pooh low level detail, but to me it's still very important. I LIKE hearing the nuance. Now the van 5 gets closer with greater low level detail, but still wasn't even in the same neighborhood when it came to displaying 'nuance' and imaging. I owned both the avanti's and the 5 at the same time. I consider the 5 the more desirable speaker in general, but I know what the tradeoffs are. I sold the 5's because it was too big, the lovely girlfriend silently hated them (A glance tells everything), and it had bass that I couldn't tame in my room without awkward placement. I also didn't like the fact that you have to crank a van 5 up to get it to sound good. I like low listening levels.

Bad speaker ?!? No, great speaker. One of the very best. I'd choose it over several of the 20-30K speaker's I've heard. Just wrong for my needs and tastes at the time. If I had a 20x30 room with high ceilings I probably would have kept them.

My point in the original post is that there are real tradeoffs in speakers. Things like size, fit'n finish, WAF, speed, imaging, balance, voicing, instrument weight and low level detail are all factors that will appeal or repell different buyer's.

I wish that audio magazines would be a little more brutal in their descriptions. The reviews look WAY to similar for such different performance characteristics.