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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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glupson
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I think that Michael Green is correct about his prediction. On the other hand, it is not that hard to predict it. Nothing lasts forever and Internet forums have their natural course, too.

Newsflash, in a few billion years the Earth will be no more.
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michaelgreenaudio OP
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No biggie kosst

I'll see if I kind find out from JC what's up with your anger trip.

Michael Green

stevecham
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I know, I said a few pages ago that I would go sit in the corner. But this banter reminds me of my days long ago in the fraternity I belonged to in college for a couple of years (sophomore and junior). By my senior year, I’d had enough of the toga parties with the food fights and next morning the front and back doors left open and the neighborhood dogs in the dining room eating all the floored food. And the drunken, mysogynistic crap from the "emboldened" brothers who thought they were god’s gift to women. It was all trolls under the bridge. I left my senior year and they asked me why and my answer, perhaps juvenile of me, was that I had outgrown it. But, I had, and I couldn’t express it in another way. It just seemed such a waste of intelligence and creativity to dumb down the quality education we were putting the finishing touches on. It amazes me to this day that the Greek system is still alive and kicking in 2018, even though many universities have done away with it, and many chapters have been suspended for hazing. But, being the only boy in a six kid family, other than signing up for the military, and I did consider that for a time, that was my one chance to live in a 100% male environment for a couple of years. At least I got that experience. Wasn’t what I had hoped for or expected.

So, what’s my point? I read these darts, jabs and veiled threats, and the one ups you guys bestow on one another, and I wonder, is this the "talk" that constitutes a self-admitted group of audio enthusiasts who have ultimately become so bored with everything, that it is now frat house slobbery?

What happened to the suggested empiricism of the OT? Or, am I accurate in concluding that that aspect died pages ago and who cares anyway what this is supposed to be all about?
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