Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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Who would know who is right in this employment saga, but maybe there should be some peace treaty on that one. Let’s pretend that it was so long ago that everyone already forgot details that make the story.

"Who cares how much stock Michael owned in RoomTune?"
Robert does, apparently. Was it really listed on stock exchange? Just curious and, guys, this is not meant to start a fight.

Oh brother, let’s not stretch this that far LOL. This is nothing more than a guy who worked for someone for 9 months. That’s it, that’s as far as the story goes. If Robert wants to build it into more than that, that’s up to him. As long as he doesn’t attempt to be "abusive toward another member" his story is as good as anyone’s.

Glupson, everyone sees life through their own lenses. I happen to see it as a pretty cool experience. The guy next to me may see it completely different. The OP is about talking without walking as a question. I, you, Robert, prof, jf47t or anyone else sees life through our own set of values. Prof for example sees through his lenses that I’m here to instigate a fight, even though I say I’m not here to start any fights. Prof thinks because I said things a certain way that it means something based on his perception. It wasn’t what I said, but it was his perception on what I said.

If you look at the OP you will see words. Those words only take on meaning as we apply our own set of values to them. I crafted the OP this way on purpose. Does the OP have meaning to me? Only to the extent that I wished to trigger others reactions to the way they (and I) view words. Some viewed the OP as just what it said, others thought it was provoking, others it gave them a chance to vent, others to bring up feelings about the person behind the OP (that was a little scary to be honest), and as we can read, a whole bunch of sidetracks and additives that had nothing to do with the OP at all.

I wanted to show in real time the motives and intent that we create in our own minds when we see words, topics or discussions. For example one thing that stuck out to me is that so many viewed discussions as "arguments". Those same people viewed the OP as something to start or plant that arguing mindset in to the thread. If you go back and read through the thread again you will see all sorts of motives in the posts written. I’m also interested in the posts that follow this one. With the intent of the OP layout out, will posters be able to curve their own belief system and accept the OP for what it is and was or will they not be able to put the brakes on because of their own agendas that they created?

Which brings us back to the OP and how it relates to the way we view audio. Do we create our own spins on audio to fit our beliefs? Are we able to stretch our views on what audio is and how far are we willing to take it? Do we as listeners see playback as a means to an end or a means to an active beginning?

In this OP I was surprised on how I was personalized instead of the OP as words. I’ll be honest that got a little creepy to me. I was surprised to see others use this thread as an attack platform against me personally, the 20 year old employee thing got really weird. I knew when that started that I was going to give this thread a couple of more days and then reveal the thought behind this OP. As for myself, the motive and meaning behind the OP was crystal clear, but that again shows how I was viewing the OP as a tool. I tried to give hints to the OP but I was again surprised at how dug in folks thinking was and how forcefully they were sticking to their (our) own beliefs systems. I remember prof saying "a dog at the end of a bone" (sorry that’s probably not an exact quote.

So anyway I’m very interested to see the next few posts and the agendas of the posters now that I have given the why of the OP.

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net

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"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.."




The messianic complex is complete ;-)
@geoffkait
"you should probably get your ears candled pronto."
Thanks for the concern but my ears are fine. However, I am concerned that you seem to be a bit "candled" at times;
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=candled
Get some rest, clean the heads on that Walkman, and don't go on any river boat trips with your buddy Martin.