Swapping 5AR4 rectifier for 274B in a PrimaLuna Preamp


Long time lurker, first time poster.
I have recently acquired a PrimaLuna Dialogue Three preamp.  (not the new 'premium' preamp, the original Dialogue Three)  It's a fantastic unit and sounds incredible.  I've achieved some very nice results tube rolling some of the other components I own(ed).  I am contemplating switching the OEM 5AR4 rectifiers with a pair of mesh plate 274B's from Sophia Electric.  
http://www.sophiaelectric.com/pages/se/274b.htm   
While allegedly pin compatible, I understand the life of the rectifier might run short.  To quote Sophia Electric's site:
"The 274B is direct heating tube. The indirect heating 5AR4 may turn on slower, however, people who buy 274B is for its superior sonic performance. To fully utilize its benefits, it may require first stage capacitor (capacitor input) to be less than 10MFD, or would shorten the 274B life span (very much like smoking is bad for your health). It would not be a problem with common choke input. Please consult to your amplifier maker or refer to a tube manual.
The maximum current capability for Sophia Electric 274B mesh plate tube is 90ma, suitable for tube pre-amp. "   

I was hooked on the SE 274B when I saw that Woo Audio was offering the 274B as an upgrade to their WA6 headphone amplifier.   Further research turned up a couple of great reviews for the tube in other amplifier and preamp applications.

PrimaLuna / Upscale Audio have given great recommendations for the Phillips 5R4GYS in my preamp.  In all probability I'll find myself buying & trying both and selling whatever comes in 2nd place.  

I'm pretty new to the tube game, but learning fast. 
I would welcome the opinions of those with more experience and finely tuned ears.  


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I replaced the stock rectifier tubes in both my Primaluna PL3 and PL8
with the Phillips 5R4GYS. I would say the improvement was significant.
I bought the Phillips from Upscale at the time for $40.00 Ea. They have since increased in price over time, and currently run $110.00 - $115.00 each. I liked the tube so well, I purchased NOS spares thru E-Bay for a considerable savings. There are a few international sellers that have them. There not hard to find internationally. Of course there are pros and cons of purchasing from Kevin and Internationally.  I was also recommended by rodmann99999 to try the GZ34. I search for quite some time before I gave it up. All I could ever find were sellers claiming there used tubes tested like new and I wasn't going to settle for anything other then new.  If you can find them (and can afford them) I would jump on the GZ34 Mullard (Blackburn factory) GZ34(NOS, of course). I had a Woo H/phone amp that the power supply used a B274 Mesh. There was a significance difference between the 274 and the Russian rec. tube supplied with the amp. Never used one in the Primaluna. I wasn't able to find enough info to satisfy me that they were usable with the Prima Equip. 
I included a couple of links below to Vendors on E-Bay selling Phillips Rec. Tubes. Also found a vendor from England that has several Blackburn NOS GZ34. Not a bad price considering the recent increase in value of the US dollar. You may want to get these, you don't see NOS Blackburn Mullards come up very offend now days.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-PHILIPS-5R4GYS-5R4GY-Military-rectifier-Single-tube-Original-new-box/322...


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Philips-5R4GYS-5R4GY-rectifier-CV717-Dutch-army-tube-NOS-same-datecode-/2015...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GZ34-MULLARD-5AR4-F32-B5C2-BLACKBURN-NEW-OLD-STOCK-VALVE-TUBE-O15C-/39129999...~
Can you please advise Kevin's technical reasoning for the above recommendation, i.e. why better specifically for the PL, and advantages / disadvantages over the Blackburn GZ34. I would be interested in learning the technology.
Thank You, t-bon 3.
I really don't like to bother Kevin with theoretical questions unless I have intent or potential of purchasing the relevant  item. He's pretty busy trying to put food on the table. After all, he is a retailer, not the shell answer man. I usually try to make best of this forum, just like you did when I took the time to answer your questions.

Brad