Suspended vss Stationary by design

Can someone explain why suspended table sounds more relaxed, almost like it sounds slower, than a fixed stationary table?

I've been listening to both side by side, and my ears tell me the difference is REAL. The stationary sounds fast and nimble like an Acura NSX, while the suspended is so relaxing like being on the inside of a Lexus LS460. Another way of putting it; its like the difference between SS and Tube.

All this leads me to believe that the TYPE of music just may sound better on one and not the other.
A phono cartridge is a movement detection device. If the stylus moves an electrical signal is generated, hopefully at the same frequency and amplitude.

If the table and record are sloshing around beneath the stylus, the cartridge generates a signal. The cartridge doesn't "know" whether its stylus is moving due to groove modulations or because the rig is flopping around. It sees movement, it generates.

Suspension movements and their induced signals are typically at frequencies too low to be audible (unless the TT is really messed up), but whether you hear them or not the spurious information muddies the real information you're trying to extract from the groove.

It slurs transient responses and squashes amplitudes, which will sap some liveliness out of the music. It also raises the system noise floor, which masks the lowest level details. This makes the music less lifelike by reducing that "wow!, you are there live" illusion.

Some people call it relaxed and like it. Some don't.
Good explanation Doug.
It makes you wonder who on earth would actually WANT their turntables to move?
And please don't give me all that pseudo scientific nonsense about insulation from feedback and absorption of acoustic vibration?
If there is suspension on a turntable (or a base), it will move and because the movement may be almost undetectable and hard to measure, does not mean that the cartridge will not 'hear' it?
The fact that this 'smearing' of sounds and loss of information may be pleasurable to some perhaps says more about their systems or the quality of recorded vinyl?

Now let's have the Linn, Basis and VPI lovers throw their barbs.
I was just thinking ------------------
(Oh yeah, real slowly :-) It might just make for a case about the difference in dynamic vs static tonearm balance?

'Sloshing' about, would affect a spring-loaded arm somewhat less, wouldn't it?
And the top Linn arms are all dynamically balanced - well done, I say!
With respect I don't Doug's explantion is at all correct - at least when it comes to my experience with a Linn LP12 v VPI TNT v VPI HRX v TW Acustik Raven AC-3.

It is the OVERALL design, not whether it is suspended or not that makes it sound relaxed.

The Linn LP12 and a like are well known for their fast paced PRAT and fast nimble bass, not slow

VPI TNT has a velvety sound coupled with a big some will call bloated slow bass.

VPI HRX is very neutral, has prat, a deep but fast bass but to my ears can be a little too neutral and relentless - not relaxed enough.

TW Acustik Raven AC-3. A neutral device which actually tells you more about your tonearm and cartridge than it does bout the table itself.
My Graham phantom arm is fast, detailed and dynamic.
My ortofon AS309 12 inch arm is a little more relaxed, and a little slower in the bass and equally as enjoyable.

So how can my suspended turntable be both relaxed and fast and neutral?

>> So how can my suspended turntable be both relaxed and fast and neutral? <<

The Linn has a very short 'stiff' drive-belt, that makes it 'on the point' with speed, include that motor controller here too. B U T it still seems to 'round over' the transients a bit. Along came this new idea of the keel...., latest iteration of the Ekos..., OK, and we'll see what they come up with next :-)

My SME 10 for example, has the same short LP12 belt, motor controller (not Linn of course) and a very rigid connection between tonearm, base, bearing and platter.

Nothing doing any trampoline acts either. What do you get? Neutrality to the point of dryness --- if that is not your ticket that's fine also i.e. all a question of preference (oh hell, not again!).
Doh - I actually meant my Non Suspended turntable be both relaxed and fast and neutral.
I actually meant my Non Suspended turntable be both relaxed and fast and neutral.

Resonances in certain frequency ranges, speed dynamics. Just to name a few possibilities. Finding and countering these can be a long process of trial and error. But that is part of what continuously draws me to vinyl.
yeah, i'm drawn to vinyl too for various reasons. most of which, whether "slow" or "fast" either still sounds more musical to my ears than does digital. although digital has come a long way, it still does not effectively give that "tactile" feeling of a good vinyl, analogue setup. now just trying to decide on whether to go with fixed or suspended. on the upgrade path; currently have a vpi scout. thanks all for your inputs; keep em' comin'!
It might just make for a case about the difference in dynamic vs static tonearm balance?

'Sloshing' about, would affect a spring-loaded arm somewhat less, wouldn't it?
It's hardly that simple.

First, every arm/cart combination is spring loaded.

Statically balanced arms are spring loaded by the elastomers in the cartridge suspension, and to some degree by flexibility in the cantilever.

Dynamically balanced arms are spring loaded by those and ALSO by the springs in the arm's downforce mechanism.

The resonance frequency of each of these sub-systems will be different. Each may interact with the other if their frequencies or multiples thereof are similar.

Each may also interact with the resonance frequency of a spring-loaded table, if its frequency or a multiple thereof is similar.

More spring-loaded sub-systems = more opportunities for resonance interactions between them. It's certainly possible to select/design a cartridge, dynamically balanced tonearm and TT suspension that wouldn't be prone to such interactions, but the more springs you introduce the harder it gets.
Hi Doug,
well laid out points, yes.
Now, how about those dang tt's that played standing upright, oh --- and mounted into a car! (before the event of compact tapes)... ALL with dynamic VTF.

Yes, that there is that cantilever and then there is compliance, now lets pick 4-6cu that's not a lot of spring either. So, if a suspended deck 'rocks' / vibrates, now what about the extremes I mentioned above?
I know, everything is RELATIVE at some stage, but less gravitational down force say 2.5g in lieu of spring VTF MIGHT make a difference - I say.
And Linn seems to agree using dynamic VTF arms also.
Just for the argument :-)