Sub wolfer advice


Hey guys I need some advise on a power sub. Here is my set up. Krell FPB 400CX & Krell KCT pre-amp with BMW speakers. I have never run a power sub before. I will be running my transparent cables from the amp to the power sub. Then another set of cables out of the sub into my BMW's. The sub will be 2ft away from my right speaker. Do I need to keep both lengths of speaker wire coming out of the sub into my BMW's the same length or can I run a short speaker lead from the sub to my BMW speaker that is sitting next to the sub or am I splitting hairs?

Next question should the speaker wirer coming out of my amp going into the powered sub need to be the same quality of wire going into the speakers?

Thanks guys for all your help in advance. Hope this makes sense. Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Chip
dancer

Showing 2 responses by almarg

NO! NO! NO! A lot of well intentioned suggestions have been made, that in many cases would be good advice, but which evidently have been made without looking at the specifics of the equipment that is involved.

1)It appears that your power amp has balanced outputs, meaning that both the + and - terminals have signals on them (as opposed to the - terminal being grounded). If so, you cannot connect the sub's negative speaker-level input to the power amp's negative output terminal, or you risk shorting that output signal to ground (if the sub and the amp both have 3-prong power plugs, and depending on their internal grounding configuration). Instead, the negative speaker-level input of the sub should be connected to a ground point on the amp.

A chassis screw is PROBABLY such a point. You can verify that by using a multimeter to check for continuity between a chassis screw and pin 1 on one of the XLR connectors, or else by asking Krell.

2)The RCA input on the sub you are considering is designed to only work with an input signal that has already been low pass filtered and summed to mono, such as an "LFE" signal. Your preamp does not provide that kind of output, and so your only choice would be to connect that sub to the power amp outputs (the + outputs and a ground point).

Also, Magfan has made an excellent point about the fact that you don't need heavy gauge high quality speaker wire to connect the sub to the amp.

Regards,
-- Al
Hifihvn, thanks for providing the links.

Dancer, note that on page 6 of the manual for the sub (pdf page 7) it is specifically cautioned that if speaker-level connections are used, the ground wire from the sub should NOT be connected to the negative output terminal of a balanced amplifier. Otherwise there is a good chance that damage to the amp will occur, as I explained earlier.

The sub manual suggests that if speaker-level connections are used, the ground wire from the sub should be connected to the amp chassis. That will probably work fine, but as I indicated earlier it would be a good idea to first verify that the chassis and internal circuit grounds are common, either with a multimeter or by asking Krell.

REL generally advises that speaker-level connections are sonically preferable to line-level RCA connections, as you'll see in the manual. That is a somewhat controversial position, and there is undoubtedly no one right answer that is universally applicable. The only way to definitively tell which method is preferable in your system, to you, is to try them both.

Regards,
-- Al