Check these out, both under your limit.
Studio Electric M4
Buchardt S400 Signature
Studio Electric M4
Buchardt S400 Signature
Here's a nice pair of Joseph Audio Pulsars in your price range that should be a significant upgrade over your already excellent Boxers. Best of luck.
There is a new Harbeth 30.1 listed here for $5495. I doubt the seller would turn down a reasonable offer. BTW, I happen to like Harbeths!
you will not be satisfied unless the speakers are tuned to your ears. $5k is too much for standmounts. You wont even get fullrange soundkenjit: I’ve been reasonably ’satisfied’ with untuned Nola Boxer 2-ways paired with two ’room-corrected’ Syzygy subs. Due to housemates (cats) I’m constrained to standmounts (to get speakers out of reach of cat hands and a$$es. They don’t bother the subs).
Why is $5K too much, and how will the right standmount not deliver or approach fullrange sound? See Salk SS 7M’s as an example: http://www.salksound.com/model.php?model=SS%207M
...new Harbeth 30.1 listed here for $5495yogi: thanks . I do wonder if that Harbeth model would end up anemic with the electronic/IDM and rock sections of my listening repertoire. I did find the Super HL5 Plus on a'gon.com - new at $4500 which seems dramatically under-priced ... and ships from Spain : | https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9ga6h-harbeth-super-hl5-plus-monitors
Used B&w 805D3 and a sub ...Mayor: thanks. Already have dual Syzygy SLF 870 subs to pair with. Will read up on the B&W 805D3.
...have a look at the Rosso Fiorentino...thanks jm, will check those out for sure. are you current/former Boxer owner?
I’m about to list my Selah Tempestas.db: attractive - in part because they're 3-way (like the Salk SS 7M). Will look.
new Dynaudio Contour line is really goodthanks mofo. Dynaudio is kinda obligatory if one looking at standmounts. I do wonder about P/V ratio though (price/value), given "the Name" one pays for.
I had Dynaudio Contour 20s. I liked them a lot. They are big standmount speakers. So likely no need for a subwoofer. They are certainly within you budget. Especially used. You would want to get the Dynaudio Stand 20 stands which attach to the bottom of the Contour 20s.
Another ideas that are possibly in your range maybe Klipsch and Elac. For the latter in your budget your will want to check to see if the Elac Adante line is in budget. But you have some nice choices.
Try fritz carrera be speakers , I have a pairs of Nola s2 connect with tube pre amp and sometime I power them with ss power amp or tube power amp , the Nola will sing with better equipment, good pre amp combo but most tube amp will make your Nola sing ,I suggested you try tube amp first before changing your speakers , hope that help ! Good luck with your upgrade
atl4love: thanks for the guidance, esp. as fellow Nola fan. I'm listening to the v1 Boxers right now and reminded of the surprising delight, detail and honesty in these small-ish but brilliant boxes.
jwh2 you speaking my dialect (Micromega et français aussi). By your and all other accounts the B&W 803D3 is the real deal. But sadly their form//look rules them out, as I must maintain visual feng shue in main LR listening area for mi esposa (my wife).
ojack - sigh ... given my venture here I suppose I must consider Dynaudio. But I already got their Stand 4, which should suit the many options discussed here (incl the Special 40?).
birdfan - yes got subs - two of them: the underrated if not unfairly maligned Syzygy SLF870. Your listening genres intrigue me for the Strada's: I do large orchestral from time to time but if the Strada's finesse the rest as well that isn't a deal-breaker. Will look.
Man, so many good options already listed. I saw some Salks yesterday at RMAF and I really like Salk now. They are finished beautifully. The designer seemed first rate as well.
I looove Joseph Audio Speakers. They Are gorgeous and Seas drivers may be my personal favorite sounding drivers. The Pulsars may be the best sounding (to me) stand mounts that I’ve heard. I love Nola Boxers as well so our tastes might be similar.
Dynaudio Special 40’s would be a great choice too. They are beautiful, made extremely well and to a very high standard. The drivers are made in house and are special in my opinion. These Dyn’s are non-fatiguing and have great tone / musicality in my oppinion, and they play loud without strain.
Fritz Carrera Be would be one to look at too!
Any 1 of these 4 should satisfy you for a long time!! I’m jealous :(
drhelzer - thank you, Focal wasn't on my radar. Sopra #1 stretches my budget but will look into.
b_limo - yes my head is spinning. Joseph Audio Pulsars are on my short list. Your Nola affinity persuades - I'll add Dynaudio Special 40. I guess I should add Fritz Carrera Be too. From your listening does any one of those deliver a more complete Universe-experience than the others?
Usery, you have provided a lot of useful information. Nice job.
A couple of thoughts, si je peux...
You already have a pair of quite capable subs, so your stand-mount speakers don’t need to have major low-end capabilities, and indeed the blend might be better if they don’t. This means you can forego unneeded low-end extension for higher efficiency and therefore (typically) better dynamic impact, which is something that electronica/IDM calls for. In other words, imo your subs make it more likely that you will end up with a very capable system using complementary stand-mounts as your main speakers.
Considering that electronica/IDM is on the menu, your room is arguably a rather large space for most stand-mount speakers to adequately fill. Especially if natural timbre is a very high priority, as is implied by classical music being first on your list. You see, a large room implies a bit greater listening distance, which in turn implies the relative loudness of the direct and reverberant sounds will be tipped somewhat towards the reverberant-dominant end of the scale. Thus what’s happening off-axis will arguably matter a bit more than normal, given that most of the energy reaching your ears will have started out as off-axis sound.
How important is a large "sweet spot" to you? Is this system just for you and you tend to stay in your seat, or is it for others and/or do you sometimes jump up and dance around when nobody is watching (you don’t necessarily have to answer that last part!).
(yup, I make stand-mount speakers)
I personally would go with the Dynaudio Special 40’s or the Joseph Audio Pulsars...
The Pulsars sound so so good. Really sweet and refined to my ears. I just always love them. I don’t think that you can go wrong with those Dyn’s though. I’ve seen them used for $2000. At that price you could easily resell them if you didn’t like them but I really think you’d like them.
I think counting me, you got 3 recommendations for the Dyn’s and 2 for the Pulsars :-)
Having lived with a volumetrically large living/music space (~ 40% larger than yours) for 25+ years with numerous attempts to use stand mounted speakers (the original Reference 3A DeCapos + 2 subs did the best to create a realistic spl ) I finally stopped chasing my tail as DSP subs were never on my radar, and the only way to dial in a room. Kudos
Since you already have subs with DSP, then definitely check out Emerald Physics open baffle EP-3s (known for killer imaging, but so cool looking the wife just might like them), or their new LSA stand mounts which have gotten some glowing comments
I have owned EP KCIIs for 3+ years. They sound better and better as I up my ancillary game. Cool design, but floor standers
I've owned several standout standmounts over the past decade.
1. Focal 1007BE + HSU sub. This setup was driven by a McIntosh MA7000 integrated amp. Very musical combo.
2. KEF LS50's. Obviously too small for your room.
3. KEF Reference 1's (no sub) driven by a Hegel H590 integrated. Unbelievable set up. Very musical and with far more resolution than the Focal's/McIntosh. Not sure if the McIntosh held the Focal's back or if the Reference 1's are just better.
The Reference 1's retail for 8k plus stands but you should be able to secure a pair for 5k. Currently one pair up on audiogon https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9gbi9-kef-reference-1-bookshelf-speakers-glossy-rosewood-pair-1. No affiliation, mine are gloss black. Not sure if they meet wife acceptance... Mine are at the office!
Regardless, I'd recommend a larger boxed bookshelf given your room size. I'm in agreement that the Harbeth's wouldn't be ideal for electronic music.
Kenjit, he actually had an audiogram and then after that went through a frequency sweep in .01 increments where he rated each cycle, or hertz, on a scale from 1-1000, depending on how much he liked that particular hertz. It was a lengthy process but was needed in order to establish a baseline.
After that, he took his data and entered it into a database where every single speaker ever made has had it’s exact frequency response plotted and graphed. After years and years of research he landed himself on the perfect speaker for his ears AND listening preferences based on how the results of HIS hearing and HIS listening preferences.
I’m not quite sure if you analyzed the results of his audio gram and the results of his preferred frequency response graphs but if you have not, whats your basis for determining that the B&W’s have too much treble for his personal tastes, in his room, with his associated equipment...
Maybe you would be so kind as to enlighten us further as to how you came to that conclusion...
“I do use the equalizer controls on my McIntosh C48 pre amp to fine tune for my ears.”
OMG, are you saying that you were able to tune your speakers to your liking with 1 knob?? Why the heck did we run the Audiosweep / Audiogram / Frequency Response preference tests?
I think Kenjit might be right afterall. Those speakers have too much treble for your ears... we’ll need to do the tests all over again :(
VAPOR AUDIO - (check out entire line) MY CHOICE: STIFF BREEZE W/STANDS (A BARGAIN!) - check them out. I believe you can get a demo to try; consult if stands you have will work well with these, saving you $$$ for more music.
My friend is impressed with the Golden Ear line...
I presently have Gershman Acoustics Avant Garde RX-20s from early 2000s and luv them! New model (upgraded ),not your budget - watch vintage market...
b_limo: yes vox populis is persuasive (+3 for Dynaudio, +2 for Pulsars). Thanks for pointing to the simple truth in the numbers.
tweak: ah yes, thanks, will check Emerald Physics. It was a supporter (and dealer) of theirs who put me onto Syzygy subs.
crozbo: cast iron is weird but why not? thanks, looking at JERN14.
keoliphant: KEF Reference 1 suggestion is intriguing. That pre-own pair at tmraudio is rosewood finish (big plus for my decor) but they look well-loved (dings all over) and I already have excellent stands (Dynaudio Stand 4). Appreciate the regardless-guidance on larger boxed monitor/bookshelf.
jsautter: another JERN vote ... thanks, looking.
bajaed: yes thanks for reminder, will add Legacy again. Saw them when looking a few years ago.
ISoP: ok will check Vapor, Golden Ear too. Gershman looks interesting, even a bit exotic - and probly beyond my budget.
I was going to suggest another sellers foundry edition one, but that one looks like it was snapped up in 2 days (listed at $5875). The link above is another standard color version and even lower cost.