No matter what brand you pick I suggest you consider 3-way designs.
My pick would be the Wharfdale Jade 3.
Thanks very much for your useful and knowledgeable advice/recommendations.
I can spend only up to 1500$ on speakers at this point as I also need to acquire a good DAC shortly.
I would love to have the funds to afford Harbeth... that WILL come at a later time. Really enthused about the Jade 3 suggestion. The STEREOPHILE review is stellar, and my modest Diamond 8.2 bookshelves, while nothing to rave about, have served me well thus far.
Has anyone heard the
NOVA 125/Jade 3 combo by any chance?
What other integrated amps work well with the Jade 3?
Any advice on a good DAC? (700$ budget)
Please keep in mind that size/weight are important factors for me as I will ship these to MADAGASCAR at substantial added cost. Hopefully I can maximize value for money buying used gear on AUDIOGON.
Thanks again everyone!! jlr261
Happy New Year to you as well! Dynaudio comes to mind as their monitors are known for large dispersion of sound meaning they work quite well off axis. They typically like power and especially current.
Given your existing amplification, Tannoy DC8. They're dual-concentric and thus more of a point source/focused, but have the boldness to fill a large listening are. Let me know how you progress.
In general stand mounted loudspeakers sound best when used with fairly substantial stands. It's possible that the stands + monitors could weigh as much and be as bulky as a floorstander.
Are you trying to fill the large room with sound or will you position things in a section of the room with a more near-field setup?
I'm not sure if you would have any building skills at all, but these would require little. I've been building for years. These were designed by someone who has the ability to design for anyone...
An incredible value at $1000 a pair.
I hope this helps, Tim
+1 for Wharfdale Jade 3
Impressive mid range response! No mid range off axis response dip as is commmon in nearly all speakers (even high end speakers)
Can such a small speaker really fill your room - that would be my concern - since you have an SVS subwoofer if you can combine this with the Jade 3 then I think it should be fine!
I recently read the following on the Sound On Sound web site; posting it as an FYI...
Why Three-ways Are Better Than Two
The two-way speaker format that became the dominant architecture for compact high-performance speakers around the 1970s almost defines the art of engineering compromise. I say this because, thanks to a confluence of mechanical and acoustic factors (the density of air, the weight/strength ratio of viable diaphragm materials, and so on), the two-way format, in truth, only just works. For example, if you want a driver to be able to move enough air that it can reproduce low frequencies at a realistic volume level, its diaphragm needs to be relatively large, very rigid, and able to move a considerable distance very freely.
The trouble is that if you also want that diaphragm to reproduce mid-range frequencies, it needs a degree of damped flexibility so that the unavoidable mechanical resonances are reasonably well controlled and so that, to improve dispersion, its radiation area (assuming it is driven at the centre) tends to reduce with frequency. Similarly, for a conventional moving-coil tweeter to have acceptable dispersion at high frequencies, its diaphragm must be dimensionally relatively small; say, less than 30mm diameter. Yet to have acceptable efficiency and power handling at lower frequencies, where it can integrate well with a bass/mid driver, its radiating area needs to be maximised. The conventional two-way format is like a couple reaching for a handshake when they’re just a bit too far away. History, obviously, recounts that thousands of successful two-way speakers have been designed, but it remains the case that a three-way architecture can potentially sweep away a whole set of electro-acoustic problems.
My first thought was Harbeth, then found out your budget.
I am using the small Pioneers (can't recall the model) that got rave reviews in TAS and Stereophile, that were designed by Andrew Jones, in a third system at home.
Speaking of Jones, his Elac speakers are getting rave reviews also.
Good luck and happy hunting!
WOW! Thanks for all your responses!
JBL 4312... a dream... but out of my range it seems. (I spend a lot of time dreaming while watching/listening to Kenrick Sound JBL videos on YouTube!!)
Tannoy DC8, Splendor S3/5R², KEF R300, KEF LS50, DYNAUDIO Focus 160 or X14, all sound great, on paper...need more input from actual owners!
I can have stands made out of blocks of beautiful granite here for very little money, or even with one of the many varieties of precious hardwoods that can be found here. The stands won't be an issue.
I will definitely use the 2 SVS subs I already own, which will go a long way in helping to fill the very large room with sound.
In the end, what I am really looking for is a reasonably priced pair of stand mounters that will match my existing equipment, plus a good DAC.
The Wharfedale Jade 3 are available for 999$ at Music Direct, which appears to be a great deal, leaving me with an additional 500$ to put towards the DAC (up to 1500$). I have all Blue Jeans cables and interconnects.
Reference 3A de Capos sounds great, but way over my humble budget.
Same for the Harbeths, B&W 805 D3...
Not handy enough to go the DIY route at this junction.
The setup is located smack in the middle, at one end of the room, but with more space behind it...
The smaller Wharfedale Diamond 8.2 bookshelves definitely cannot to fill the room with good enough midrange and high frequencies, without very audible distortion. The MMGs are also useless in this room!
I really need a pair of "sturdy" stand mounters with at least 6.5" woofers, but critical will be the mid and high frequencies rendition and ability to blend in with the subs in THAT room...
In any case, thanks for all of your advice and recommendations, keep them coming! I could post pictures of the room and current setup... would that give everyone a better idea? Is this possible on Audiogon?
You say that you'll use your two subs, but the benefit will depend on *how* you use them -- bass replacement or bass augmentation. If you are running the main speakers full range, then you are doing bass augmentation and not letting the subs help the main speakers. If you are high passing the main speakers, then the subs are handling the bass load and letting the main speakers do what they do best.
The nice thing about large rooms and bass is that the room modes will be lower in frequency and depending on the source material may not be much of a problem. Also, large rooms tend to have more available locations for sub placement.
The Spendor and KEF LS50 are *way* too small even with subs. Yes, you need at least a 6.5" woofer (and a dedicated midrange driver) that is not handling the bass load.
If your electronics doesn't allow high passing the main speakers, then I encourage you to address that before swapping main speakers.
Well... if... you’re after incredible sound in a stand mount monitor, you will find none better than the WaveTouch Audio Grand Teton’s (now Antero’s). Many are replacing their high-end floor standing speakers with these.
I have the Grand Teton’s and they sound as good as any I have, or have heard. They have a huge soundstage and produce a big sound - they’re pretty efficient.
And... they’re fairly priced... especially... if you buy a pre-owned set.
Plus, they have a return period, if you try them and don’t like them. But, you will.
I have had great luck with raidhos and dynaudios. I've only ever owned stand mounters. Worth looking into both brands.
Dealer disclaimer: I carry raidhos. I do not carry dynaudio but have owned many models in the past. I found the raidhos to be a nice step up but the dyns pack a huge sound and are great bang for the buck
Consider your budget, B&W CM5 S2. I have them in 14 x 24 room, SS amp 300 watts per channel. Overkill perhaps but they play very loud and sound quite good. Mine are the "Rosenut" finish and look great! Are there better speakers out there? Sure. But for $1500.00 from Best Buy I expect you’ll be happy.
Review for the CM5 "Non S" version below. The "S" version has different tweeter, mid driver and perhaps crossover. It is the newer version. Cheers!
Australia would be better to look into for getting speakers as others suggested.
I would look into WLM Diva or La Scala monitors - I do own the Diva and they can fill a room. Way more expensive new than your current budget, but sometimes come up used for less than 50% (I bougth mine in pristine condition on AG for 30% of original price).
I have many systems in my house inclduing vinateg SS gear, went through 50 paits of spekaers from AR3a, Quad ESL 63, KEF 104, Vandersteen 2c, Audi Physic Virgo, ADS 1530/980/1290/910. soem vintage JBL, ProAc, Thiel, etc. and ended up with low power amps from Almarro, Trafomatic and Shindo paired iwth high sensitivity speakers.
In my experience (and many of my audio / music loving friends) nothing sounds better than the WLM coupled with entry level Shindo gear out of all my collection. I recently added a pair of Altec Flamenco to my system (which I really like) and still according to my friends, the Diva wins hands down. No affiliation with any of the mentioned manufactureres.
I also have a very large room. 18ft tall ceiling, 28 x 18 open on both sides to a dining room and another living room on the left and on the right a bar room. I use Tyler Acoustic Linbrook Signature Monitors ( MTM w/ SEAS Millinieum tweeter and SEAS Excel mids). Will play very loud with a subwoofer. The drivers are used in speakers as high as $50K. I bought mine used directly from Ty with 2yr warranty for $1600! Giant killers. BTW, I use Anticables for speaker wire, no complaints.
Once again, THANKS very much for your valuable input and suggestions. Obviously, the challenge will be to select and acquire a pair of stand mounters that can handle the mid and high frequencies with recognized talent, allowing for the SVS subs to seamlessly tackle the low frequencies in such a large room.
Bob_reynolds, yes, I plan to high-pass the main speakers to relieve them of the bass duties in such a large room.
Many of your suggestions have my attention, even if I am not really familiar with all the of the brands mentioned, other than from reading articles... The WaveTouch Audio Grand Teton, Wilson Benesch, Tyler Acoustic Linbrook Signature Monitors, and WLM Diva are very interesting options indeed, I definitely have to learn more about them.
At this junction, and taking into account all the restrictions mentioned in my original post (budget - weight/bulk - room size, etc.) I am looking at Wharfedale Jade 3 - Elac Debut B6 - GoldenEar Technology Aon 2/3 -Sonus Faber Venere 2.5 - Dynaudio X12/X14 - Revel Performa M106 - KEF R300, etc. (not necessarily in that order...).
Of course, I'll be looking for deals on used speakers here, hoping to upgrade in quality while staying within the budget.
That's it for now. Thanks again, I'll let you all know how things evolve! jlr261
I agree with a few of the posts that Dynaudio would be a great choice for a small speaker that will fill a large room. You may be able to get into a Focus 160 within your budget which imo is a good step up from the excite series. My experience with Dynaudio is that they don't set out to dazzle you but they are well balanced and play every genre very well and have an "analog" quality to them.
Couple more to consider would be used Usher BE718 or Paradigm S2. With sub crossed over at 80hz I think any of these would do you well.
i would go straight for these, NOW!! http://www.xtzsound.eu/product/divine-100-33. Betters many at much higher prices, ships directly from manufacturer. I live in Mauritius, not so far from you, got real high end speakers in my main room, and my second system has XTZ, just amazing for the price... nothing else to say.