Speakers that are very accurate sounding but don't produce an emotional connection.


I have listened to a few speakers over the years that impressed me with their accuracy and presentation of the music, but just did not create an emotional response or connection. I have often wondered what that quality is in some speakers that produce an emotional connection with the listener. This quality has been identified by audiophiles, as "magical", "engaging"  "just right"  "euphonic"  "natural"  "true to life". " "satisfying"  "musical"....  I am sure there are at least 50  other  adjectives that could describe this "quality" of  sound . 

Considering the various aspects  of achieving  good and accurate sound by component synergy, is there a way to explain this so-called magical element that often eludes so many of us??.  I don't think such a feeling is temporal, conditioned by personal moods, or the phases of the moon or sun.  

Like to hear from members who have given some thought to the same issue.    Thanks,  Jim   

BTW, I know the thread is a bit out there, but  I don't think the topic is pointlessly pursuing the genie in the bottle. 


sunnyjim

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I agree with David12. Many times, the amp makes the difference. Wilsons to me have sounded uninvolving and sterile with ss, except Dartzeel and D'Agostino-- IMHO I do not particularly care for them with the likes of other great amplifiers like Spectral and Burmester. But various Wilson speakers can  sound extraordinary, depending on the model, with Lamm, ARC, VTL, BAT, VAC and others.
Likewise, I have never been drawn in by Magico, many Focal and B&W's 800 series (except, for B&W, with McIntosh amplification which smoothes things over).
Is it possible that I have not enjoyed the any Magico because I have never heard them with tubes? Sure is. I didn't like B&W's 800 series until I heard them with McIntosh. Goes to show that the synergy between amp and speaker is critical.
Finally, David12--the Daedalus brand along with Tannoy, DeVore and other high efficiency speakers can also sound great---but I've only heard those with tubes.
I'm always willing to listen Melbguy. As we have discussed previously in our numerous Wilson v Magico exchanges, I have heard Alon Wolf's presentations with his choice of electronics on a few occasions (and in one system without Alon Wolf since) and always walked out shaking my head. But I have never heard them with tubes. It's also possible that the rooms were not ideal.
 Had I not heard Wilson for the fourth or fifth time under the right circumstances, I'd have agreed with their critics as previously I thought they were cavernous, sharp and cold . When I hear them at shows sometimes, I'll hear one or the other negative aspect. Under those circumstances, I can understand the criticisms.  Maybe one day, I'll hear Magicos in a set up that sounds good or great to me. One day you may hear Wilson's that sound good or great to you.
There's always room changing one's mind in this hobby upon hearing the right electronics with the right speakers and cables in the right room.
And of course, I may never warm up to Magico or you to Wilson. We would not be the only ones.  
Melbguy, I am not sure that Magico has "greater in-house design and manufacturing" than Wilson, but even if it did--that would never be the measure of a "better" product. If it were, we'd all be listening to B&W , KEF and Focal who have among the biggest most advanced facilities in the world. Not that there's anything wrong with that. IMHO, it all comes down to the ear of the manufacturer. With relatively small companies like Magico and Wilson--those ears belong to Wolf and Wilson.  In some of the larger speaker companies, it comes down to a committee of listeners. I've heard great speakers from very small manufacturers that stack up with the very best-- because of the ear of the designer---Daedalus, Salk, Nola. Frankly, I much prefer all of those to Magico as they sound more like music to me whereas Magico sounds like fairly undimensional hi fi. But again--I am open to persuasion. Maybe I have not heard Magico with all factors acting in their favor despite the fact that Alon Wolf set them up himself on 2 of those occasions.
Melbguy, I do intend to go to a local dealer here in Manhattan that carries Magico with Constellation and DCS and listen there. He also carries Rockport which I intended to listen to anyway. BTW I have heard numerous products in a dealer's showroom with room treatments and more and thought nothing of them until I heard them at another dealer who knew what to do with that component. Case in point, I have heard Martin Logans at least a dozen times in many different showrooms throughout the years and they left me cold. I had decided that I simply did not like the sound and I figured it was probably because of the technology. Too diaphanous with a bright tonal balance and no stage depth I thought. That was for years one of my least favorite of the more popular speakers. I heard them last week at Stereo Exchange in NYC with Rogue amplification and they sounded great. In fact, I went there for something else and just happened to walk by an open area where they were located and the music stopped me in my tracks. I now view that speaker as one that can be pretty awful if not set up right and outstanding if done properly. I love discovering that I was wrong about a product. I will have no problem admitting I was wrong about Magico if I hear them sing. 
Hi Roy:
J. A. at Stereophile uses a stethoscope on cabinets when he tests them.