speaker synergy and halo jc-1's


Ok, I did it. After much discussion and debate, I have purchased a pair of jc-1 monoblocks. I am in a somewhat isolated area, but my local dealer has been of much help and so we are compiling a list of speakers to try out with these amps. The short list so far is:

B&W 802D/803D
Totem Forest and/or Wind
Gallo Nucleus Ref3

This is currently what he stocks, but he maybe getting the Hyperion HPS 938. He also has access to Wilson Sophia's, but I won't be able to listen to them with my amps.

I have heard the vr4jr's using a BAT system through another dealer and I can probably get them to use for direct comparison.

My room is 14 x 16 feet with 8 foot vaulted ceilings. One side is open directly to a staircase, but the speakers won't be firing towards this side.

I listen to a bit of everything, but would say that electronic, rock and pop predominate my listening habits.

I haven't chosen my source cd yet- thinking wadia, audio aero or consonance droplet to try. Don't get me started with cables...

My question: Of the speakers I have listed (B&W, Totem, Gallo, Hyperion, Wilson or VR4jr) which would be most synergistic with the jc-1's? Any others you would add to the list? Any you would completely drop?

Thanks
vargus

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Thanks, Schang. I live in Canada and don't have easy access to the SP Tech. Any others you tried out?
I have read alot about Hyperion, but wondering about synergy as well as long term customer support. Any hyperion owners shed some light on this?

Cheers
Perfectionist, I am glad to finally hear from one of my fellow jc-1 owners. I haven't received them yet- about 10 days away- can't wait.
I have heard the vr4jr's with BAT and Classe at a local dealer and was impressed. It remains my first choice, but I was wondering about the vr4sr. Would the sr's work in a room 14 x16 feet in size, or would they be too large?
My other question is regarding comparison between the vr4's (in jr/sr iteration) and Wilson Sophia's Any thoughts regarding strengths and weaknesses as well as suitability with the jc-1's
Thanks for your responses to my thread
Thanks for the advice, Perfectionist. I have been reading on this forum as well as others, that the jc-1's need serious break in time- my dealer is going to run them in for me when they initially arrive. I'll move them over to my place when my sound room/living room is finished with renovations. Between the two of us, we should have 1500 hours of break in before I start critically listening. I am going to try to get the SR and JR's for an in home audition, and my local dealer will try to get a pair of Sophia's as well for me to try. I'd say this will probably be in mid Sept. and I'll let you know how it goes.
Jfz- I'd like to try out the Merlin's, but no local dealer. Haven't heard of the Cerious speakers- I'll do a web search for them.
Thanks
Cytocycle, thanks for your response. Since you have heard both the VR's and the Sophia's, maybe you could comment on which would be the one that is more tonally coherent, the one with which you could play all types of music and not get fatigued by listening for hours on end? I've just bought a few XRCD's and even listening on my little Linn Classik and 805 matrix system, I'm amazed at what I can hear, so I've been listening to all kinds of music . Basically I'm asking what will be a better "jack of all trades" speaker, one that I can live with for many years.
Also, do you mean to say that the Sophia's would require the use of a sub, because this will preclude me from buying them.
It's funny you mention using the audio aero direct because I recently spoke to Johnathan Tinn (thanks for your advice, John) at Chambers Audio and that's exactly what he recommended except to use the system with VR4SR's. That system had been my original intent and I'm very tempted to go that way.
By the way I like your choice of colors for the Wilson's. You must be one of the Tifosi!
Cheers
Chris, I'm going to listen to the SR's and JR's on an all BAT system tomorrow and I'll let you know how it goes. A few weeks later I'll cross the border (to MI) to listen to the Sophia's- I think they're with a Krell system.
Now here's the thing- I can probably get the Sophia's cheaper or at the same price as the SR's. Now I'm not sure if you have heard them, but my VS dealer states the SR's compete with W/P 7's, and not the Sophia's. Is that an accurate statement? I know price will not affect my decision in the end- whatever I like best is what I'll get, but I do like getting value for my money. What are your thoughts on this?
The other thing you mentioned in your first post is that the VR's provide a more fleshed out presentation- are they "warmer" than the Sophia's? Are the Sophia's better suited to tube than SS amplification?
BTW, I was surfing around and saw you have a Guzzi- I'm a Duck owner. I have an '02 Monster S4 and I love it.
Cheers
Well, I listened to the VR's today.
First I'll go through the music, then the systems then my impressions.
1. Wagner-Karajan conducting- Tanhauser overture
2. Siri's Svale Band- "Black Bird"-Tr.1 "Don't Explain"
3. Chemical Brothers- "Singles 93-03", Tracks 2 and 4
4. Ben Harper-"Fight for your Mind", Tr 3 "Another Lonely Day"
5. Audioslave- "Audioslave", Tr 3 "Gasoline"
6. Boys to Men- "Legacy", Tr 2 "It's so hard to say Goodbye"
7. Bill Holman- "Brilliant Corners" XRCD, Tr 1 and 2

System 1: Classe CDP-100
Classe CA-2100 Power Amp (100w/ch)
Classe Cp- 500 Pre
VR4 jr
Nordost Thor
Nordost Quatrofil interconnect
Nordost SPM ref speaker wire

System 2: BAT VK-D5SE
BAT VK-250 + BAT Pak (150w/ch)
BAT VK-31SE
VR4 sr
PS Audio (PLC- don't know which one)
Nordost Valhalla interconnects and speaker wire

Unfortunately, the jr's had only about 50 hours on them, and so there was a lot of glare on the top end especially with the techno. I have heard them sound better than this, so I didn't spend as much time with them as I have in the past.
My disappointment stems with the sr's.
Are they accurate? Yes.
Do they have slam? Yes.
Do they present a large soundstage- sometimes- depending on what type of music I played.

What they didn't do is make feel as if I was there. I didn't feel as involved as I thought I should. With some of the music it did become magical, with a lot of it it did not. Don't get me wrong they are better than jr's, but right now I don't feel they are worth twice the money the jr's are. Now they only had 200 or so hours on them, but I thought they should be pretty broken in by now.
I was expecting the difference between the sr's and jr's to be the difference between let's say an XRCD versus a standard issue cd. I feel the differences between these speakers is much less than that analogy.

Cytocycle, I know exactly what you mean about the difference between Japanese and Italian motorcycles. I have had a few Japanese bikes in the past, but now with the Monster, I'll never go back. The Italian bikes elicit a passionate response that the Japanese bikes can't seem to duplicate. I'm not sure if this is the difference you mean between the Wilson's and the VR's. All I know is that when I listen to music, I want it to elicit that same passionate response and satisfaction within me after I come back from a ride. I didn't get that today with the sr's.