Anyone who has taken physics (which includes anyone with an engineering degree) should know what Coulomb friction is. It may be more widely understood than not. But we digress...
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I hate to disagree @linnvolk, but I have an engineering degree, took physics (even thought it was in Computer Science and Engineering) and knew about Coulomb's law (I vaguely remember it) and of course friction, but not "Coulomb Friction".
In any case, as in one of the earlier posts as recommended by one of the poster's dealers, let your ears do the deciding. Rega uses spikes (very big ones) on its $40K Naiad table and SME tables are very highly regarded and use some type of podium/springs.
I use springs under a platform under my turntable, and spikes (with discs so I don't tear up the hard wood floor) on my speakers....really by default since they came with the speakers and are recommended by the manufacturer. I would be interested in hearing if a spring platform would improve the speaker sound, but then you have to decide if you take out the legs and the spikes and the discs, just the discs, just the spikes and discs....a lot of experimentation. I am sure the distance off the floor makes a difference also.
The fact that the spring platform for speakers from Townshend costs more than my speakers makes it a non-starter. I personally think springs are better suited to turntables than really heavy items because of the sensitivity of the cartridge picking up the signal from the groove. A completely solid floor standing speaker that is well designed should not need springs. There must be a reason why NO speaker company designs them with springs. Now when you talk about monitors on stands, you're adding a lot of variables, and maybe then springs would be advantageous.
Sorry - no word salad, just horse sense.
I've tried a lot of different spikes and cones over the years and was using BDR Cones as the best for a very long time. This was under my turntable, and speakers, and everything else. When I tried springs it wasn't even close, they were better in every way. There is much less glare, greater clarity, and a lower noise floor. Peak dynamics aren't better in the sense of having more volume but dynamics do improve because the noise floor is so much lower. Imaging improved probably for the same reason.
Extension, the improvement in extension with springs is highly dependent on tuning them to the load. If the load is too light the top end is too prominent. Likewise if the load is too great the bottom end is bloated and top end extension rolled off. Get it right though and springs are significantly better than any cone, or spike, or anything else. Period. Been tried too extensively now to be anything but beyond doubt.
That is the situation with plain springs. They beat all comers. Except they have no damping. So the one weakness of springs is the aforementioned tuning requirement. Even then though without damping there is a problem with resonance. I noticed this with springs under my turntable and figured the same had to be happening everywhere else.
This is really what led me to try Townshend. I knew Max had figured out a way to accomplish damping, and engineered and tested to use the right amount.
The results are easy to hear. Every instrument has so much more of its correct natural tone signature and timbre it is immediately obvious. It makes all your recordings come alive as never before. This all happens without ever drawing attention to anything. It never sounds like any one frequency is being accentuated or hyped or anything. Quite the opposite That is what happens with spikes- the ringing accentuates a part of the audio band that we associate with detail. It is not really detail. It is etch and ringing masquerading as detail. It is no exaggeration to say the sound on Podiums is a revelation.
I don't know that I would recommend $2500 Podiums to a guy with $250 speakers. But my $4k Moabs? They for sure sound way better than $10k Ulfberht, and for $4k less. So for me they are a deal, and while not a deal for everyone they sure are for a lot more than have them now.
Hey MC- my speakers are not $250, but were $3000 list. I got a huge close out discount which makes the Townshend speaker platforms much more expensive than the speakers.
it is interesting you have to admit, that no floor standing speaker is designed with springs or pods or their ilk, and several turntables are. I am not familiar with Magicos, Wilson’s or other astronomically priced speakers, but are ANY delivered with springs? I know many come with spikes.