Speaker shootout update; aggressive treble eliminating some (fairly?)


I've been trying out speakers in a complicated shoot out, both bookshelves and towers — all in my home with my gear. I'm looking for speakers obtainable up to about $4k but could go up (or down) a bit if the right thing came along.

Basic facts: All speakers were run in at least 100 hours. Room is 27 x 14 x 6.5 ceilings. Powering with all QS tubes, 60w, NOS, tube R2R dac, and decent cables. No terrible reflection points; room not overly live or dampened. REL R 328 sub available but I did most listening without it.

Recent auditions, type:

Klipsch RP 600-M (budget singleton of the group)
Fritz Rev Carbon 7 mk II (bookshelf, 2 way, soft dome)
Focal 936 (tower, 3 way, inverted metal)
Martin Logan Motion 60s XTi (tower, 3 way, AMT)

Coming soon:

Salk SS 6M (bookshelf, 2 way, beryllium)
Dynaudio Evoke 30's (tower, 3 way, soft dome)

Let me speak just to the problems, rather than what was good about the speakers. So far, I've found the Klipsch, Focal, and especially the Martin Logans were all too bright — forward, aggressive, "turn it down" treble.

The ML's were the most impossible to tame and hardest to listen to on more tracks. (I did a lot of hanging of towels and other dampeners and other soft things to try to see if I could bring them to heel. I varied the recordings used. Changed cables/wires. No luck.)

The Focals were occasionally too bright; their bigger problem was a bit too much energy in my small listening space. They were better when I plugged their ports with socks.

I'm looking forward to how the next two speakers sound. The Dynaudio towers, I notice, are 10 inches shorter and half the weight of the other towers; not sure what that might mean, but it could just be right size for my space. I'm looking forward to seeing if the Salks bring more detail to the treble without also being too rolled off or harsh.

Hearing is very personal for physiological and taste reasons. However, if anyone has any thoughts about why I might be experiencing some of the phenomena I am (harsh treble, especially) based on my room or gear, etc., that might help me understand factors I'm not fully appreciating. Thanks.


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Showing 3 responses by douglas_schroeder

(I did not read all the posts, so if someone else mentioned a tip I have thought of, I apologize for redundancy)

Before you spend more time on it, read my article "Audiophile Law: Thou Shalt Not Overemphasize Burn In" at Dagogo.com

When you have been through that many speakers and have an issue with treble, then imo the odds are that either you are highly sensitive to upper frequency and strongly prefer a softer upper end, and/or you have a fundamental problem with your rig in terms of components/cables. 

Another thought: Is that correct, 6.5' ceiling? If so and the speakers are elevated fairly close to the ceiling, then it would not surprise me why so many are overly bright. You may have to lower the speakers beneath ear level and tilt the baffle back. It may help. If the speakers are directed toward your ears, splay them, that is, move them to be parallel to the head/front wall. 

I strongly suggest you try a different set of cables before plowing ahead with more speakers. No aftermarket power cords? That's a problem. 
Quite possibly entire issue could be ameliorated through different placement of speakers.