Speaker sensitivity vs SQ


My first thread at AG.

Millercarbon continues to bleat on about the benefits of high sensitivity speakers in not requiring big amplifier watts.
After all, it's true big amplifiers cost big money.  If there were no other factors, he would of course be quite right.

So there must be other factors.  Why don't all speaker manufacturers build exclusively high sensitivity speakers?
In a simple world it ought to be a no-brainer for them to maximise their sales revenue by appealing to a wider market.

But many don't.  And in their specs most are prepared to over-estimate the sensitivity of their speakers, by up to 3-4dB in many cases, in order to encourage purchasers.  Why do they do it?

There must be a problem.  The one that comes to mind is sound quality.  It may be that high sensitivity speakers have inherently poorer sound quality than low sensitivity speakers.  It may be they are more difficult to engineer for high SQ.  There may be aspects of SQ they don't do well.

So what is it please?

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@lalitk,
Agree many worthwhile advantages to higher efficiency/sensitivity speakers. It does seem that to design and build this type of speaker requires a certain degree of effort, thought and implementation. Well worth it in my opinion. To be able to utilize a high quality but lower power amplifier (With simpler circuit/signal pathway)  is a very good option to have.
Charles
@phusis wrote:

"What’s particularly interesting with high eff. larger speakers, to me, is that simplicity can be maintained when incorporating horns or waveguides fitted to compression drivers, and thus avoid some of the complexity issues that face low(er) eff. larger speaker designs. A 2-way high eff. design can be had with fairly large woofer/mids crossed to a horn/waveguide with very nice power response in the XO-region, though needing subs augmentation. I use such a configuration myself, now awaiting new horns from ~700Hz on up with a mouth area of some 2 x 3 feet for controlled directivity if needed, down to 500Hz for a smoother transition to the dual 15" drivers below."

This is almost exactly what I’m working on, and had hoped to introduce in 2020 but... stuff happened that year...

Anyway I designed a large-format Oblate Spheroid waveguide using Earl Geddes’ equations, like you targeting a 700 Hz crossover to twin 15" midwoofers. That 700 Hz figure is consistent with the findings of David Griesinger which Geddes subscribes to, and is very close to the 800 Hz crossover that Greg Timbers uses in the JBL M2. Imo the ability to cover the spectrum from there on up with a single driver is a major advantage over more "conventional" approaches, in addition to the other advantages of large drivers and high efficiency.

And of course the way around the bass extension/box size/efficiency tradeoff relationship is to hand off the bottom couple of octaves or so to subwoofers.

I’m rather surprised by how similar our approaches are. I knew we were barking up trees in the same forest, but didn’t realize it was the same tree!

Duke
Speaker sensitivity has little or nothing to do with sound quality. High or low sensitivity speakers are merely two different paths to same destination. Matched with the proper amplifier, either have the capability to produce satisfying sound quality. Of course, some will do this better than others but there are many variables much more important than a speaker's sensitivity.
Duke - IF you can say, are you 3D printing the waveguide ?

best to you in 2021

Jim
bdp24,

I agree with you about the relative merits of Soundlab electrostatic speakers vs. the Altec Voice of the Theater speaker.  The Altec tonal coloration is way too unnatural for my taste as well.  At one time I considered buying Soundlab speakers.  But, while most of the commercially available compression driver systems suffer from too much tonal issues for my taste, I've heard many custom systems that sound very good; I ended up with such a system.

I feel the same way about many other high efficiency speaker types, such as full range single driver systems.  I ultimately don't like their tonal balance and rough frequency response (notable exceptions are Charney Audio and certain Voxativ models).

I like some systems that use "fullrange" drivers as wide range drivers in multi-way systems.  In some, a woofer supplements the fullrange driver, in others, a tweeter is added on top.  An example is the Soundkaos Model 42 (fullrange driver plus a Raal ribbon tweeer on top).  My favorite system utilizes an old Jensen M10 fieldcoil driver (13" fullrange driver) in an open back cabinet (open baffle) operating full range, but with a first order high pass crossover to a tweeter supplementing the single driver (the system I heard had a Jensen RP 302 tweeter, but, I am told that a Western Electric fieldcoil 597 driver is better).