Speaker/Room help needed


Hi,

I�m in need of help setting up a new dedicated listening room that has proven very difficult to setup, and I�m really starting to get frustrated by not being able to figure this room out! It is a 2nd floor, 14W x 20L x10H room with suspended hardwood floors (a first for me), speakers on the short wall; listening position has to be against the back wall. There is a fireplace directly between and behind the speakers; behind each speaker I have placed a tall bookcase full of books, CD, records and my saxophone. On the left wall are three very large, 3x7 windows covered by light drapes, the right wall has a large sliding wood doors. I have placed small cloth sofas at the first reflection points on the side walls but, with low backs, they may be too short to do real good. I tossed down a sleeping bag on the floor for kicks to absorb some reflections, but will get a proper rug shortly (any suggestions for type?). There is also a 2x4 coffee table in front of my 7ft long cloth listening couch. I prefer as wide of a soundstage as possible, and my speakers, by design, must be at very minimum 8ft apart, which doesn�t make this any easier.

My system consists of:
Full range Von Schweikert VR3�s with Vibrapods underneath (VR4SE�s or VR4JR�s to come)
PS Audio HCA-2 amp
Musical Fidelity A3cr preamp
Marantz SA-14 SACD/CD player (set to �Custom�)
DIY Silver cables and IC�s w/WBT connectors
PS Audio and Belden PCs
Marsh/Monster HTS-2500 power conditioner

I think component isolation may be playing havoc with me as well as I still need to make small amp stands for each component, as all pieces will be placed below & behind the speakers, on the floor, and would welcome suggestions here as well for materials, especially for the Marantz, which is proving stupidly sensitive to isolation. Currently all gear sits on MDF slabs resting directly on the floor.

I currently have the speakers 5ft off the back wall, 2.5ft off the side walls, angled right at my ears. As for my problems specifically: The soundstage is wide and deep with round images, but I have what I can only describe as a midrange suck-out and flattening, which makes vocals appear to be hollow, as is sang though a large tube and then through a sponge, and vocals also reside too far recessed on the soundstage. My new Beck SACD sounds like Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam stole the mic and that�s not
good! There is no fatigue or brightness to speak of; the bass is most impressive in extension and slam, while articulation of finer detail could be better from maybe 800hz down, as could the openness and air (the SACD player is slightly lacking on the last 2 counts but not to the extent I�m currently hearing). It�s a 100+yr old building but the electrical is maybe ~15yrs old (guess), and I haven�t ruled out power issues yet either but my instincts tell me the room needs help first. I will run dedicated lines shortly.

If there is anything I missed please don�t hesitate to ask. Thanks so much for any suggestions, and the simpler and cheaper the suggestions the better!

Cheers,
Michael
socrates

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I also feel that the room accounts more then half of the sound. If I had a purpose built room I really believe I could cut the MSRP of my system in 1/2 or less while still generating a superior sound. I've heard $150K systems sound awful, the faults where not in the gear at all but in the room, which is why I'm really looking for advise here from the experts!

Right now I'm maybe at 75% of what I had when I was in a VERY, VERY good listening room just a month ago, and am missing that room sorely! I'm sure to figure this room out eventually and have a friend coming over to help tonight with the "WASP" method, but any tips would be most welcome! Hardwood floors and a medium-sized room are entirely new to me!
Rives, your site is simply awsome, thanks so much for the link and advise! I agree with your assessment that the midrange is actually closer to neutral, the HF and LF are actually too forward, as I heard when listening to solo vocal performances and operas, which sounded great until the chorus and orchestra came in and eclipsed the midrange! Good call! I also put the gear on a old rack, removed the Vibrapods and brought out the ProGold, all of which helped. The speakers are now pointed to what would be 6ft behind my head, with the couch still against the back wall, and the soundstage is far more open, spacious and balanced, but still the midrange sounds sucked-out and slightly foggy. Bass is stupidly boomy with the speakers on the floor and the lower midrange is very colored by the floor. EchoBusters, tubetraps and a few plants I think are in order for this room.

Jsawhitlock: great advise, I actually planned to swap out every piece you mentioned shortly, but need to get the room right first!

Zargon, good idea to use the RS meter, I'll try it this weekend. I also agree that there is a lot of psychological bias here as well, as I am definately judging every sonic aspect relative to what I heard from my old room, and some of what I'm hearing now may not be "wrong" at all!

Thanks again for the help, I really appreciate it!