Speaker design myths revealed


I found this at the Jordan web site. Maybe the experts can say whether this is true or not. I will say I have not heard the big improvement with a narrow baffle vs. wide baffle that I am "suopposed" to.
Q: In your VTL box design, why is the JX92S fitted in the wide face when it is common knowledge that the box should be as narrow as possible?

A: 'Common knowledge' and scientific fact are often very different. The narrow front face is a fashion concept supported by some very questionable marketing rational. The indisputable scientific fact is that the ideal mounting for a loudspeaker is an infinitely large flat baffle and this is the concept used for all loudspeaker analyses. A wide baffle always sounds better.

Q: What are the recommended advantages of positioning loudspeakers as close to the wall as possible?

A: This positioning secures, to some extent, the advantages described in the previous question. In addition it minimises the time delayed reflections from the rear wall which contribute to confused imaging.

Q: Will placing next to a wall ruin the stereo image?

A: We cannot see any reason why this would impair imaging. Possibly more than any other manufacturer, we have concerned ourselves with accurate and stable imaging and certainly would not promote a design that would impair this.
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While the Jordan driver is not high-sensitivity like many single-driver systems, it has many of the pros and cons of these kinds of systems.

The Jordan driver was awarded best sound in at least one national "DIY speaker" competition, and has gotten some follwers for its sound quality.
Fiddler, you can calculate the size of the needed baffle by using the quarter wave formula.

It depends on how deep in the bass you want these things to produce.

Pick a frequency above the F3(resonant freq) of the driver, and deep enough into the bass region to satisfy you.

For example, if you want 32Hz to be able to be reproduced by the system(assuming the driver goes that low), you will need a baffle that is at least 1/4 wavelength of the (32')32Hz wavelength, which would be 8 feet across. If you want to get only to 64Hz(16' wavelength), then you'd only need a baffle that is 4 feet across. If you want to "split the difference, and get 48Hz, then you could use a baffle that is 6 feet across.

All frequencies above the frequency determined by the baffle board will be reinforced by the boundary effects of the baffle board, and will not be subject(much) to the "wrap-around" cancellation effects that will adversely affect the frequencies below the capability of the baffle board to handle.

While it is a matter of discussion whether to mount the driver in the center of the baffle board, due to the relative "smoothness" of the response curve, mounting it in the center would give the best result in getting to the deepest bass for a given size baffle board.

The determining factor(in size) for the baffle board's effectiveness is based upon the smallest outside dimension that goes across the driver. So the smallest outside dimension will dictate your reinforcement frequency, and any larger dimensions will have little effect, but they may do a little. Thus, a circle shape will be the minimum sized shape that you could use, but it is more difficult to stand up and use. A square baffle is typical, but only the largest diameter circle that you can draw around the driver will be doing the work, and the corners doing very little.

Remember, if you make it tall and narrow, you are losing your effectiveness, so make it just as wide as it is tall.

Having the piano hinges, and angling the sides backwards to a small degree will do just as well, and helps to make the baffle more visually acceptable. It also keeps the edges out of the diffraction plane.

The best thing would be to make the whole baffle shape like one of those "snow saucers". It would allow the driver to be placed at the foremost part(center), and have uniform shallow radius sloping backward all the way around, for most smooth response and minimum diffraction. But it would need to be big, and I've never seen a 6 foot snow saucer!

For the easiest construction, flat and square works.
Fiddler, basically the baffle size requirement is directly related to the bass "wraparound" cancellation that is inherent in open baffle speakers. If you use subwoofers with these systems, then the baffles can be much smaller, depending upon how high you want to cross-in the subs.

For example, if you want the OB mains to only go down to 128Hz, then the quarter-wave formula would show a baffle dimension of 2' square.
Fiddler, that's cool.

If you keep the basic quarter-wave formula in mind, then you'll have something to lean on when deciding on baffle-related issues.

Slightly off-center driver will be a bit smoother, as would a slightly curved panel.

I wouldn't recommend going "wildly" off center for driver mounting, because as you get nearer any edge of the baffle, there could be exacerbated cancellation issues.

Assuming a four foot height rectangle, which may be (what?) around 3 feet wide? You may expect to have a decent protection against wraparound cancellation(and have bass frequency boundary reinforcement) down to around 80-90Hz.

Remember that this baffle must be rigid enough to properly allow the driver to do its thing, without flexing and causing doppler and info loss, and also must be rigid enough to not flex from the SPL which it is being directly subjected to. If you are using Lexan or plexi, make sure the thickness is good enough, and that it is somewhat braced so that it doesn't act as a "secondary radiator". It can do this, because it has a large surface area, and if it is flexing with the music, it is re-radiating the soundwaves out of phase, and will cause smear and possibly other unwanted issues. Strong is good.

Basic numbers:

For quarter-wave reinforcement above the stated freq.

Frequency / Wavelength / 1/4wavelength / Baffle size
32Hz 32' 8' 8'
48Hz 24' 6' 6'
64Hz 16' 4' 4'
96Hz 12' 3' 3'
128Hz 8' 2' 2'

If you want to use a certain frequency between these numbers, you can interpolate.
That should work. Try to make it so that it won't have buzzing vibrations where it contacts the ring behind the driver. That is a point which may vibrate, if not affixed in some way.

It sounds like a very cool idea, which offers alot of options, and fits the WAF, and looks cool, and should sound good too.

I'm interested to hear how you like it overall, after break in.