Skip the hype, skip the snake oil, skip the sparkly shiney covering and pick basic wire of the correct impedence/guage from Monoprice or other scam-free manufacturer/distributer. Then take the money you save and buy some serious music media...or a great set of headphones. Do your research and don't fall for all the BS out there. |
@audiotomb: cables cannot, will not and have no capability to "have" tonality, dynamics and imaging." All expensive cables can do (supposedly) is fix issues caused by outside influences. If you buy basic cables that meet basic requirements, these influences will be minimized. Spending more only lightens your wallet.
If you think cables, on their own, create or induce improvements in SQ, then there is nothing I can say to change your mind. Keep funneling money to the hackesters that are scamming you. |
Ref: stringreen.
"Audiophile grade" cables are those that are prettier to look at, sometimes hand made in the Philippines, have shiney connectors, make wildly exaggerated claims and cost stupid crazy amounts. They do not improve SQ at all above smartly selected cables from Monoprice and other scam-free distributers. But...if you are an "audiophile," you have to spend more because your self-imposed status requires it.
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Nothing personal, milpai! And my "description" was a generic one for expensive aftermarket cabling. That said, I disagree with your premise. Cabling cannot, should not and never will be able to "increase sound quality" above what the audio producer intended. All cabling can do is possibly mitigate outside (external) influences that might interfere with accurate delivery of an audio signal. In my opinion, very inexpensive cabling that meets basic length/impedance requirements does that - as well as it can be done. There is no need to expect better interference cancellation performance by throwing money at problems that do not exist. It is shameful that we have this cottage industry that preys upon niave, uneducated and unsuspecting "audiophiles" with too much money to waste. |
Milpai....you did not address my opinion, you just touted your cables with a fancy name. Therefore I have nothing, really, to which to respond.
But, again, cables cannot "make a significance difference." See my previous post. And since you are in the business of selling this nonsense, your opinions are biased and therefore, on this forum, moot. |
Yep...we clearly do are on opposite poles of this issue. My opinions are not biased because I have researched the science and believe it...and I have no financial interest in these products. My point is the cables cannot make, induce, accentuate, instill, highlight, perform or any other active verb you can think of. All they can provide is the prevention of interference from outside influences as they link the audio signal from component to component. Inexpensive cabling does this quite nicely. Spending more is just silly.
My stereo system is Oppo-105D/Emotiva XPA-2/B&W 803s. I could spend 1000% more and MAYBE achieve a subjective 5% improvement in overall SQ - for me, a stupid, wasteful, low value investment. But it might LOOK cooler...there is that!
Oh, and I have KimberKable for the speakers; got them free with another deal. Wasn't impressed with them over heavy guage zip cord. Also got a set of six Wireworld RCA interconnects for 10 bucks (retail on Amazon $100 each). Made no difference over the Monoprice set they replaced.
I do monitor AVS...and Audioholics. Both groups encourage not wasting money on silly, ineffective cabling.
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Oops....forgot to add the SVS SB13 Ultra sub to my system list above. Got it a year old for half price. Wonderful sub - Monoprice balanced cable. |
Csmgolf says: "I used to think you had no credibility, now I am sure of it."
Do you really know me well enough to post this personally offensive comment?Please try to stay on topic and not resort to personal comments when unable to usefully discuss the subject matter. I know this might be difficult but that is what this forum is for. |
csmgolf: I have thick skin and offensive comments, while substantially lightweight, are directed personally at me, do not contribute to the topic and merely distract others from the discussion at hand. This particular thread is about cables...not me. Again...as we said in the Navy: "Stay focused, stay on target."
This discussion is not about me. It is about cables and whether it is ethical to encourage others to waste money. |
csmgolf: I'll repeat. Stay on topic, please. Get over me. |
Cables cannot "change" (for better) the audio program...merely fix external issues.
dragon_vibe says:
1. "(the cables)....sounded magical but left me with fatigue." I found it strange that cables that sound magical (a positive) can also tire you out. Was that comment thought through?
2. "These (cables) sounded less noisy and cleaner overall. Cables do not "sound" or actively do anything to the media. How can they be less noisy when they make no noise? Not sure what "cleaner means?" Same as less noisy?
3. "Silver is so transparent that all forms of noise would show up on playback." So now "transparency" is a bad thing. Where is this "all sorts of noise" coming from?
Though possibly well intended, these are essentially made up claims (very prevalent coming from those who have sucked up the exotic cable kool-aide) with no sort of standardization of definition. I believe these claims are what the listener wants to hear and entirely lack substance. Hard to define what cannot exist.
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The goose says: "In my opinion your room acoustics will make a bigger difference than any speaker cable."
Bingo! Clarity in a sea of confusion!
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See Post above. It seems Purist Audio Design cables lower
noise, bump up dynamics, eliminate all the blarey smear and increase focus…even
percussive focus to every note….EVERY note!
I just hafta go to these “cable shootouts” these Purist cables win. I’m sure it would be jaw dropping and eye
popping.
You couldn’t make this stuff up. No…wait, yes you could.
It never ceases to amaze me that someone’s system could have
so much noise, such stifled dynamics, so little percussive focus and so much of
that blarey smear (whatever that is) that a simple pair of speaker cables could
make it all go away. Ahh.....the power of expectation bias.
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