Soundstage wide and deep but not at all tall. . .


My system, like myself, is vertically challenged! This relates to another post I just made where I was considering adding a preamp. The shortcoming of my system is that vertically everything stays right at tweeter level at about 36" off the floor. The soundstage extends well beyond the speakers to the side, and depending on the recording extends 6-10" feet back. The speakers totally disappear, and imaging is quite solid. Everything else about the sound is so large and involving, but the "height restriction" reminds you that you are listening t recorded music. This seems to be the final frontier for a system that is otherwise very satisfactory.

System details: Cary 303/200 with internal volume control thru Harmonic Tech IC's direct into Spectron Musician II amplifier. Cardas Goden Cross bi-wires into Totem Forests. Recently upgrade both power cords to Fusion Audio Predators. Room is dedicated HT room with appropriate amount and type of room treatment.
jswarncke

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I recommend playing with the toe in, to see if that makes a difference.
If it is a problem of phase, try switching your speaker cables (at the speaker end) by putting the positive wire into the negative posts and negative wire into the positive post, see if that makes a difference. Some setups can be more sensitive to being inverted or non inverted.
See if you can borrow a good preamp (tube).
Newbee wrote:

"Also, FWIW, IMHO, if you are getting a lot of soundstage width, on the plane of the speakers, outside of the speakers, you are either playing recordings with a lot of out of phase information encoded, or you have something wrong with your set up. In a 2 channel system playing stereo recordings w/out recorded phase manipulation, all of the information on the plane of the speakers should be contained w/in the space between the speakers. If there is a sense of airiness and a huge 'soundstage' beyond the speakers laterally it is more likely than not the result of room/set up issues. Lots of folks like that sound but it can reduce your ability to get holographic (truely 3 dimensional) soundstaging.

I have to totally disagree with this.

Just because one gets the soundstage outside of his speakers does not mean anything is wrong. Sure there are some recordings that will do this more than others, some might be recorded in phase or some out of phase.

To me, a wide soundstage with good depth and height is a better holographic (truly 3 dimensional) soundstaging.
But that is my personal preference, there is no right or wrong, But I believe the one with the soundstage stuck in the middle is the one that is wrong (to me).
Most audiophiles I know prefer the wide (beyond speakers) deep soundstage. This is how you really can get your speakers to disappear. Room/set up, placement of the speakers and acoustic treatment can play a big roll here.

I realize soundstage and imaging is not everyones bag, but to me it is important. I am trying to create the illusion of a live event, a real stage at times can be huge and some with many different musicians in different areas all over the stage.
When you make your speaker disappear, then I think your getting it right.

But my road might be different then someone else's.
There is no right or wrong, only what your presence is.
Now what toppings did you want on that pizza!!