Some tables have soul and some not

Inna, I must say (in the spirit of debate) that was one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever read on this forum; and, with all due respect, just plain wrong. I respect your opinion to consider yourself a machine of sorts; but please speak for yourself only.

A turntable cannot have soul (soul, not A soul); it is a machine. Music has soul. Some turntables reproduce more of the soul of a musical performance than other turntables because they are better machines; they let more of the rhythmic nuance in a performance be heard undistorted. Rhythm is where the soul of music lies.

****TT's and cartridges are "voiced" for different genre's of music, but perhaps only the most astute audiophiles are aware of this; which makes the fact why you are so "unaware" that much more apparent.**** -Orpheus10

I am curious about how you arrived at this conclusion? Perhaps you are confusing the documented fact that some of the best cartridge designers use or have used live unamplified music as a reference, with the idea that their cartridges are then voiced FOR a particular genre; a mistaken assumption.

****Classical music doesn't boogie****- Orpheus10

Well, I am going to need much more than one cup of coffee, and a lot more free time for that one....

**** Classical music has no soul ****

I share Learsfool's amazement that someone would make such a statement. One may not like one particular genre or another, but to believe something like that is, to me, a sign of a lack of openness at all that music OF ANY GENRE has to offer the listener. Without meaning to get overly metaphysical about this, music, like all art-forms touches parts of a listener's (audience) psyche that are not always in our comfort zones. We then, as typical human beings, do what is sometimes easiest: we shut out it's emotional impact, and decide that (at best) "we don't like it", and (at worst), "it sucks, it has no soul, etc,".

None of us are fully enlightened individuals (I will speak for myself), but a first step should be a degree of openness to art that we don't understand, or that causes us some discomfort. The potential rewards are huge.

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****The German table did everything right; it just had no soul****- Czapp

Yet, earlier in your post you state that the fact that you didn't want to listen to it, was an indication that something was wrong. It can't be both. Clearly, the Garrard is the better machine; it let's the soul in the recorded performances (emotion) be heard. Music, not machines, have soul.

"Too many pieces of music finish too long after the end" - Igor Stravinsky

I never thought I would do this: Audiogon, HELP! Where are you?

I suppose it would be easier to simply ignore the rantings of Inna, Rok2id, and Nandric. After all this kind of indulgent and offensive diatribe is usually rooted in a need for attention. But alas, I confess to personal weakness at not being able to ignore this kind of bs. I like and value this forum, and frankly am amazed that it's censors allow this thread to go on.

While I realize that some will think me sanctimonious, and I certainly don't expect the above mentioned to give a rat's ass about what I think, I would like to go on the record by saying that I will not participate ever again in a thread initiated by them. I encourage all to do the same.

Hey Bill, you warned me.